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myostatin mutation There was an interesting article in The New England Journal of Medicine. It describes a young boy born with a mutation that inactivates myostatin (a normal protein that suppresses muscle growth) and is already developing extreme muscular hypertrophy. Another interesting aspect was that the high muscle mass also produced extreme fat loss. His mother and father each carried the defect and are described as highly muscular. The brother of the mother is in construction (who also has the mutation) and supposedly had demonstrated huge feats of strength on the job. Many believe that regulating this protein will help to cure muscular dystrophy and other muscle wasting disorders. I am sure it will open new avenues for training enhancement but that is many years off. You can read more at: http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D83CVVB00.html |
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He'll probably be good looking when he's an adult but for now it is truly creepy. But if he's ever made fun of because of his condition I'm sure he'll be able to shut the other kids up very quickly. The really exciting thing about this is that, with research and experimentation, this mutation could help millions of people suffering from wasting diseases. |
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Interesting article, but I did notice the concern that this boy may develop heart problems due to this condition. Hopefully the researchers learn to control it before that happens--and if he has relatives who may have the same condition without ill effects (apparently) he may luck out. In the meantime, I bet he's a handful for his babysitters! __________________ "You can never be too rich or too big!" |
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I think the heart problem they speak of is the chance that he'll have an oversized heart since his muscles are twice the size they're supposed to be. Some of those muscles shouldn't be as big as they are or as big they may become. Hopefully the doctors will watch over him to make sure he stays healthy but this isn't a completely nice situation. Think about gigantism: a lot of guys would love to become incredibly tall but, comfort aside, that increased size will eventually kill them because gigantism causes the body to continue growing without stopping. They grow to death because their bodies, hearts specifically, can't handle the incredible size of the bones. While this kid does have relatives with the same condition who weren't said to have any problems it is going to be harder for him both because he'll have an unusual body which may cause kids to pick on him--thankfully, he's big enough to beat 'em all back!--and also because he'll be bound to have some kind of physical ailment from having all of his muscles taking on giant size, not just the nice ones on the surface. And I don't know what else Myostatin does but it's in the body for a reason. |
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The kid is five and they are talking about the use of drugs developed out of the understandig of his mutation. It?s strange. Of course many people want to be muscular and some of them are willing to take drugs for it but remember that everything you take: - has an effect - you desire - side effects - you don?t disere - reacts with other substances/drugs you take Interesting enoug I live in Germany and I haven?t heard of this kid before. |
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According to this article http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/sc...partner=GOOGLE other relatives have been strong but the only relative tested for DNA structure was the mother. She does not have exactly the same situation. She has only one gene turned off, the baby has both myostatin related genes turned off. So the baby could experience some more dangerous side effects. |
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the future ...? I read about that too. Apparently, they are now investigating how to control the release of myostatin: (releasing the secretion of the hormone myostatin - impedes muscle growth, blocking myostatin release - encourages muscle growth - that's my understanding of it, I didn't study biology at degree level). Once they've mastered that. Then it can be turned off and on at will. This boy, if he has no disadvantageous 'side-effects', could be like a natural who could like go 'ballistic' in his muscular development, and leave the also-rands standing in their blocks. Some people have some seriously 'good' genetics - wow. |
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My understanding, though it is somewhat limited, of myostatin-blockers is that they work primarily on skeletal muscles and specifically NOT on muscles like your heart-muscles, which are very different in make-up. This is supposed to be one of their main benefits in the fight against wasting, unlike steroids and GH, which simply blow up all of your muscles, including your heart. I'll post an interesting and useful scientific summary on myostatin by Elzi Volk here, for those of you interested... (I'm sure most of you have read it, but it never hurts to repost...) -- James --------------------------- Super Cows and Mighty Mice by Elzi Volk In 1997, scientists McPherron and Lee revealed to the public the >>secret== of an anomaly that livestock breeders have capitalized since the late 1800==s: the gene responsible for big beefy cows (1). More than a century ago, livestock breeders in Europe observed that some of their cattle were more muscled than others. Being dabblers in genetics, they selectively bred these cattle to increase the progeny displaying this trait. Thus two breeds of cattle (Belgian Blue and Piedmontese) were developed that typically exhibit an increase in muscle mass relative to other conventional cattle breeds. Little did they know that many years later Mighty Mouse would be more than merely a cartoon. A team of scientists led by McPherron and Lee at John Hopkins University was investigating a group of proteins that regulate cell growth and differentiation. During their investigations they discovered the gene that may be responsible for the phenomenon of increased muscle mass, also called >>double-muscling== (1, 2). Myostatin, the protein that the gene encodes, is a member of a superfamily of related molecules called transforming growth factors beta (TGF-b ). It is also referred to as growth and differentiation factor-8 (GDF-8). By knocking out the gene for myostatin in mice, they were able to show that the transgenic mice developed two to three times more muscle than mice that contained the same gene intact. Lee commented that the myostatin gene knockout mice "look like Schwarzenegger mice." (3). Further exploration of genes present in skeletal muscle in the two breeds of double-muscled cattle revealed mutations in the gene that codes for myostatin. The double-muscling trait of the myostatin gene knockout mice and the double-muscled cattle demonstrates that myostatin performs the same biological function in these two species. Apparently, myostatin may inhibit the growth of skeletal muscle. Knocking out the gene in transgenic mice or mutations in the gene such as in the double-muscled cattle result in larger muscle mass. This discovery has paved the way for a plethora of futuristic implications from breeding super-muscled livestock to treatment of human muscle wasting diseases. Researchers are developing methods to interfere with expression and function of myostatin and its gene to produce commercial livestock that have more muscle mass and less fat content. Myostatin inhibitors may be developed to treat muscle wasting in human disorders such as muscular dystrophy. However, several public media sources immediately raised the issue of abusing myostatin inhibitors by athletes. In addition, a hypothesis has been put forth that a genetic propensity for high levels of myostatin is responsible for the lack of muscle gain in weight trainees. Accordingly, this article presents a look at the science of myostatin and its implications for the athletic arena. WHAT IS MYOSTATIN? Growth Factors Before we can understand the implications of tampering with myostatin and its gene, we must learn what myostatin is and what it does. Higher organisms are comprised of many different types of cells whose growth, development and function must be coordinated for the function of individual tissues and the entire organism. This is attainable by specific intercellular signals, which control tissue growth, development and function. These molecular signals elicit a cascade of events in the target cells, referred to as cell signaling, leading to an ultimate response in or by the cell. Classical hormones are long-range signaling molecules (called endocrine). These substances are produced and secreted by cells or tissues and circulated through the blood supply and other bodily fluids to influence the activity of cells or tissues elsewhere in the body. However, growth factors are typically synthesized by cells and affect cellular function of the same cell (autocrine) or another cell nearby (paracrine). These molecules are the determinants of cell differentiation, growth, motility, gene expression, and how a group of cells function as a tissue or organ. Growth factors (GF) are normally effective in very low concentrations and have high affinity for their corresponding receptors on target cells. For each type of GF there is a specific receptor in the cell membrane or nucleus. When bound to their ligand, the receptor-ligand complex initiates an intracellular signal inside of the cell (or nucleus) and modifies the cell==s function. A GF may have different biological effects depending on the type of cell with which it interacts. The response of a target cell depends greatly on the receptors that cell expresses. Some GFs, such as insulin-like growth factor-I, have broad specificity and affect many classes of cells. Others act only on one cell type and elicit a specific response. Many growth factors promote or inhibit cellular function and may be multifactoral. In other words, two or more substances may be required to induce a specific cellular response. Proliferation, growth and development of most cells require a specific combination of GFs rather than a single GF. Growth promoting substances may be counterbalanced by growth inhibiting substances (and vice versa) much like a feedback system. The point where many of these substances coincide to produce a specific response depends on other regulatory factors, such as environmental or otherwise. Transforming Growth Factors Some GFs stimulate cell proliferation and others inhibit it, while others may stimulate at one concentration and inhibit at another. Based on their biological function, GFs are a large set of proteins. They are usually grouped together on the basis of amino acid sequence and tertiary structure. A large group of GFs is the transforming growth factor beta (TGFb ) superfamily of which there are several subtypes. They exert multiple effects on cell function and are extensively expressed. A common feature of TGFb s is that they are secreted by cells in an inactive complex form. Consequently, they have little or no biological activity until the latent complex is broken down. The exact mechanism(s) involved in activating these latent complexes is not completely understood, but it may involve specific enzymes. This further exemplifies how growth factors are involved in a complex system of interaction. A nother common feature of TGFb s is that their biological activity is often exhibited in the presence of other growth factors. Hence, we can see that the bioactivity of TGFb s is complex, as they are dependent upon the physiological state of the target cell and the presence of other growth factors. Myostatin There are several TGFb s subtypes which are based on their related structure. One such member is called growth and differentiation factors (GDF) and specifically regulates growth and differentiation. GDF-8, also called myostatin, is the skeletal muscle protein associated with the double muscling in mice and cattle. McPherron et al detected myostatin expression in later stages of development of mouse embryos and in a number of developing skeletal muscles (1). Myostatin was also detected in adult animals. Although myostatin mRNA was almost exclusively detected in skeletal muscle, lower concentrations were also found in adipose tissue. To determine the biological role of myostatin in skeletal muscle, McPherron and associates disrupted the gene that encodes myostatin protein in rats, leading to a loss its function. The resulting transgenic animals had a gene that was rendered non-functional for producing myostatin. The breeding of these transgenic mice resulted in offspring that were either homozygous for both mutated genes (i.e. carried both mutated genes), homozygous for both wild-type genes (i.e. carried both genes with normal function) or heterozygous and carrying one mutated and one normal gene. The main difference in resulting phenotypes manifested in muscle mass. Otherwise, they were apparently healthy. They all grew to adulthood and were fertile. Homozygous mutant mice (often called gene knockout mice) were 30% larger than their heterozygous and wild-type (normal) littermates irregardless of sex and age. Adult mutant mice had abnormal body shapes with very large hips and shoulders and the fat content was similar to the wild-type counterparts. Individual muscles from mutant mice weighed 2-3 times more than those from wild-type mice. Histological analysis revealed that increased muscle mass in the mutant mice was resultant of both hyperplasia (increased number of muscle fibers) and hypertrophy (increased size of individual muscle fibers). Since this discovery, McPherron and other researchers investigated the presence of myostatin and possible gene mutations in other animal species. Scientists have reported the sequences for myostatin in 9 other vertebrate animals, including pigs, chickens and humans (2, 4). Research teams separately discovered two independent mutations of the myostatin gene in two breeds of double-muscled cattle: the Belgian Blue and Piedmontese (2, 5). A deletion in the myostatin gene of the Belgian Blue eliminates the entire active region of the molecule and is non-functional; and this mutation causes hypertrophy and increased muscle mass. The Piedmontese coding sequence for myostatin contains a missense mutation. That is, a point in the sequence encodes for a different amino acid. This mutation likely leads to a complete or nearly completes loss of myostatin function. McPherron et al analyzed DNA from other purebred cattle (16 breeds) normally not considered as double-muscled and found only one similar mutation in the myostatin gene (2). The mutation was detected in one allele a single animal which was non-double-muscled. Other mutations were detected but these did not affect protein function. Earlier studies reported high levels of myostatin in developing cattle and rodent skeletal muscles (2, 7). Furthermore, mRNA expression varied in individual muscles. Consequently, it was thought that myostatin was relegated to skeletal muscle and that the gene==s role was restricted to the development of skeletal muscle. However, A New Zealand team of researchers recently reported the detection of myostatin mRNA and protein in cardiac muscle (8). TGF-b superfamily members are found in a wide variety of cell types, including developing and adult heart muscle cells. Three known isoforms of TGF-b (TGF-b 1, -b 2, and -b 3) are expressed differentially at both the mRNA and protein levels during development of the heart (9). This suggests that these isoforms have different roles in regulating tissue development and growth. Therefore, Sharma and colleagues investigated distribution of the myostatin gene in other organ tissues using more sensitive detection techniques than that used by earlier researchers (8). They found a DNA sequence in sheep and cow heart tissue that was identical to the respective skeletal muscle myostatin protein sequence, indicating the presence of myostatin gene in these tissues. In heart tissue from a Belgian Blue fetus, the myostatin gene deletion present in skeletal tissue was detected. They detected the unprocessed precursor and processed myostatin protein in normal sheep and cattle skeletal muscle, but not in that of the Belgian Blue. As well, only the unprocessed myostatin protein was found in adult heart tissue. Animals with induced myocardial infarction (causing death of cells in heart tissue) displayed high levels of myostatin protein, even at 30 days postinfarct, in cells immediately surrounding the dead lesion. However, undamaged cells bordering the infarcted area contained very low levels of myostatin protein similar to control tissue. Considering the increase in other TGF-b levels in experimentally infarcted heart tissue (10), these growth factors may be involved in promotion of tissue healing. Shaoquan and colleagues at Purdue University detected myostatin mRNA in the lactating mammary glands of pigs, possibly serving a regulatory role in the neonatal pig (12). They also detected similar mRNA is porcine skeletal tissue, but not in connective tissue. Most studies, in addition to this one, confirm that high levels of myostatin mRNA in prenatal animals and reduced levels postnatal at birth and postnatal reflect a regulatory role of myostatin in myoblast (muscle cell precursors) growth, differentiation and fusion. A mutation in the myostatin gene in the two cattle breeds is not as advantageous as in mice. The cattle have only modest increases in muscle mass compared to the myostatin knockout mice (20-25% in the Belgian Blue and 200-300% in the null mice). Also, the cattle with myostatin mutations have reduced size of internal organs, reductions in female fertility, delay in sexual maturation, and lower viability of offspring (6). Although no heart abnormalities in myostatin-null mice were reported, the hearts in adult Belgian Blue cattle are smaller (11). Although the reduction in organ weight has been attributed to skeletal muscle mass increases, this has yet to be confirmed. Since there is evidence that the effects of myostatin mutation on heart tissue are variable in different species, there may be other possible tissue variabilities as well. Additionally, research detected myostatin mRNA in tissues other than skeletal muscle, demonstrating its expression is not relegated to skeletal muscle tissue as originally thought. Only further research will elucidate these possibilities. Although several TGF-b superfamily members are found in skeletal and cardiac muscle tissue, their exact roles in development is not yet clear. Apparently, based on the early studies, the myostatin protein may have diverse roles in developmental and adult stage tissues. Sharma et al proposes that "myostatin has different functions at different stages of heart development" (8). As we shall see, the same can conceivably apply to skeletal muscle as well. Myostatin and regulation of skeletal muscle While many of the studies demonstrate that myostatin is involved with prenatal muscle growth, we know little of its association with muscle regeneration. Muscle regeneration of injured skeletal muscle tissue is a complex system and ability for regeneration changes during an animal==s lifetime. Exposure of tissues to various growth factors is altered during a lifetime. In embryos and young animals, hormones and growth factors favor muscle growth. However, many of these factors are downregulated in adults. Alteration in growth factors inside and outside of the muscle cells may diminish their capacity to maintain protein expression. Although protein mRNA may be detected within the cell, there are many sites of protein regulation beyond mRNA levels. As mentioned above, myostatin protein occurs in an unprocessed (inactive) and processed (active) form. Therefore, bioactivity of myostatin may be regulated at any point of its synthesis and secretion. Keep in mind that nearly all regulatory systems in the body are under positive and negative control. This includes cardiac and skeletal muscle tissues. Myoblasts in developing animal embryos respond to different signals that control proliferation and cell migration. In contrast, differentiated muscle cells respond to another set of different signals. Distinct ratios of signals regulate the transition from undetermined cells to differentiated cells and ensure normal formation and differentiation in cellular tissues. However, many of the factors that regulate the various development pathways in muscle tissue are still poorly understood. MyoD, IGF-I and myogenin (growth promoters in muscle cells) gene products are associated with muscle cell differentiation and activation of muscle-specific gene expression (14). Muscle-regulatory factor-4 (MRF-4) mRNA expression increases after birth and is the dominant factor in adult muscle. This growth factor is thought to play an important role in the maintenance of muscle cells. In addition to myostatin, there are other inhibitory gene products, such as Id (inhibitor of DNA binding). Although in vitro experiments are revealing the mechanisms of these specific proteins, we know less regarding their roles in vivo. Although we know that lack of myostatin protein is associated with skeletal muscle hypertrophy in McPherron==s gene knockout mice and in double-muscled cattle, we know little about the physiological expression of myostatin in normal skeletal muscle. Recent studies in animal and human models indicate a paradox in myostatin==s role on growth of muscle tissue. For example, evidence shows that myostatin may be fiber-type specific. Runt piglets, which have lower birth weights than their normal littermates, had lower proportions of Type I skeletal muscle fibers in specific muscles (12). Similar observations were made in rats where undetectable levels of myostatin mRNA in atrophied mice soleus (Type I fibers) (13). Transient upregulation of myostatin mRNA was detected in atrophied fast twitch muscles but not in slow twitch muscles. Thus, myostatin may modulate gene expression controlling muscle fiber type. Studies also demonstrated lack of metabolic effects on myostatin expression in piglets and mice (12, 13). Food restriction in both piglets and mice did not affect myostatin mRNA levels in skeletal muscle. Neither dietary polyunsaturated fatty acids nor exogenous growth hormone administration in growing piglets altered myostatin expression (12). These and other studies strongly suggest that the physiological role of myostatin is mostly associated with prenatal muscle growth where myoblasts are proliferating, differentiating and fusing to form muscle fibers. Although authors postulate that myostatin exerts its effect in an autocrine/paracrine fashion, serum myostatin has been detected demonstrating that it is also secreted into the circulation (8, 4). It is believed that the protein detected in human serum is of processed (active form) myostatin rather than the unprocessed form. High levels of this protein have been associated with muscle wasting in HIV-infected men compared to healthy normal men (4). However, this association does not necessarily verify that myostatin directly contributes to muscle wasting. We do not know if myostatin acts directly on muscle or on other regulatory systems that regulate muscle growth. Although several authors postulate that myostatin may present a larger role in muscle regeneration after injury, this has yet to be confirmed. Myostatin and athletes Further complicating the issue of myostatin==s role in regulation of muscle growth is the report by a team of scientists that mutations in the human myostatin gene had little impact on responses in muscle mass to strength training (15, unpublished data). Based on the report that muscle size is a heritable trait in humans (16), Ferrell and colleagues investigated the variations in the human myostatin gene sequence. They also examined the influence of myostatin variations in response of muscle mass to strength training. Study subjects represented various ethnic groups and were classified by the degree of muscle mass increases they experienced after strength training. Included were competitive bodybuilders ranking in the top 10 world-wide and in lower ranks. Also included were football players, powerlifters and previously untrained subjects. Quadricep muscle volume of all subjects was measured by magnetic resonance imaging before and after nine weeks of heavy weight training of the knee extensors. Subjects were grouped and compared by degree of response and by ethnicity. There were several genetic coding sequence variations detected in DNA samples from subjects. Two changes were detected in a single subject and another two were observed in two other individuals. They were heterozygous with the wild-type allele, meaning they had one allele with the mutation and the other allele was normal. The other variations were present in the general population of subjects and determined common. One of the variations was common in the group of mixed Caucasian and African-American subjects. However, the less frequent allele had a higher frequency in African-Americans. Although, as the authors comment, "these variable sites [in the gene sequence] have the potential to alter the function of the myostatin gene product and alter nutrient partitioning in individuals heterozygous for the variant allele", the data from this and other studies so far show that this may not occur. This study did not demonstrate any significant response between genotypes and response to weight training. Nor were there any significant differences between African-American responders to strength training and non-responders or between Caucasian responders and non-responders. Further research will be necessary to determine whether myostatin has an active role in muscle growth after birth and in adult tissues. To ascertain benefit to human health, we also need to discover its role in muscle atrophy and regeneration after injury. Only extended research will reveal any such benefits. The future of myostatin Now that we have reviewed some of the biology of the myostatin protein, its gene, and the relevant scientific literature, what are the implications for its application? Many authors of the myostatin studies have speculated that interfering with the activity of myostatin in humans may reverse muscle wasting disease associated with muscular dystrophy, AIDS and cancer. Some predict that manipulation of this gene could produce heavily muscled food animals. Indeed, current research is underway to investigate and develop these potentialities. Sure enough, a large pharmaceutical company has recently applied for a patent on an antibody vaccination for the myostatin protein. A medical doctor and author of weight training articles asserts that overexpression of myostatin is to blame for weight lifters that have trouble gaining muscle mass. The spokesperson for a supplement and testing lab erroneously implied that the "rarest" form of mutation in the myostatin gene is responsible for a top competitive bodybuilder==s massive muscle gains, not taking into account the performance-enhancement substances the bodybuilder may be using. The public media has, of course, predicted that "steroid-popping" athletes will take advantage of myostatin inhibitors to gain competitive edge (3). Many of these assertions are unfounded or they misrepresent the science. Granted, the possibility exists that manipulation of the myostatin gene in humans may be a key to reversing muscle-wasting conditions. However, too little is still yet unknown regarding myostatin==s role in muscle growth regulation. It is imperative that research demonstrates that the loss of myostatin activity in adults can cause muscle tissue growth. Likewise, research must also prove that overexpression or administration of myostatin causes loss of muscle mass. Also important is to know if manipulation of myostatin will interfere with other growth systems, especially in other tissues, and result in abnormal pathologies. Although McPherron==s gene knockout mice did not experience any other gross abnormalities, mice are not humans. We do not fully understand the roles of myostatin in exercise-induced muscle hypertrophy or regeneration following muscle injury. Until we do, it may be premature to blame the lack of hypertrophy in weightlifters on overexpression of myostatin. Nor does the research support the claim that a top bodybuilder==s muscle mass gains are resultant of a detected mutation in the myostatin gene. The research simply does not advocate blaming genetic myostatin variations as a source of significant differences in human phenotypes. Considering the history of the athlete==s propensity, in the public eye, to abuse performance-enhancement substances, the media==s prediction of myostatin-inhibitor may or may not be warranted. We all know that today==s athletic arena demands gaining the competitive edge to maintain top level competition. For many athletes, that is accomplished by supplementing hard training with substances that enhance growth or performance. Whether or not myostatin inhibitors will be added to the arsenal of substances is difficult to predict. Until science reveals the full nature of this growth factor and its role in the complex regulation of muscle tissue, and researchers determine its therapeutic implications, we can only surmise. Despite attempts to tightly control any pharmaceutical uses of myostatin protein manipulation, they will likely surface at some point in the black market world of bodybuilding supplements. Let us hope that science has determined the side effects and the benefits by that point. REFERENCES McPherron, AC, AM Lawler, SJ Lee. Regulation of skeletal muscle mass in mice by a new TGF-b superfamily member. Nature 1997, 387:83. McPherron, AC, SJ Lee. 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Skeletal muscle myostatin mRNA expression is fiber-type specific and increases during hindlimb unloading. Am J Physiol 1999, 277:R601. Marsh, DR, DS Criswell, JA Carson, FW Booth. Myogenic regulatory factors during regeneration of skeletal muscle in young, adult and old rats. J Appl Physiol 1997, 83:1270. Ferrell, RE, V Conte, EC Lawrence, et al. Frequent sequence variation in the human myostatin (GDF8) gene as a marker for analysis of muscle related phenotypes. Genomics, in press. Loos, R, M Thomis, HH Maes, et al. Gender-specific regional changes in genetic structure of muscularity in early adolescence. J Appl Physiol 1997, 82:1602. __________________ 6'3", 225#, growth-oriented lifter. Inquisitive guy looking for compatriots for workouts, growth tips and conversation. http://www.bigmuscle.com/~massingUP |
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read it this morning Hey guys, I read an article on this from CNN's main page this morning - I guess it's considered big news? Since I have a BS in Biology I'm usually skeptical of any news about gene therapy or developing drugs from known mutations. This story is no exception, because it seems to make us believe that it's all about myostatin blockers - if only it were as simple as that. Maybe it is and I'm being too careful (stranger things have been done with genetic manipulation)... Anyway a good read. It made me daydream of a Brave New World in which only the rich were able to purchase this new drug and become more muscular - ironic huh since the "working class" would be weaker? |
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After seeing the link on this forum I read the article this morning on MSNBC. One of the researchers' key points was that this child was evidence that control of this gene expression was possible in humans; although demonstrated in cows and mice it had yet to be demonstrated possible in humans. Safe, on the other hand, is a completely different issue. The doctors didn't mention what their health concerns were, but I think some of them may involve inability of the skeleton to mature along normal lines. I realize it's a 'baby' picture, but the lower body reminds me of someone I knew who had Rickett's disease as a child. Although rare, this disease is characterized by a lack of bone strength (usually nutritional) relative to muscle. The result is that the musculature overwhelms the bone structure and actually warps the bones as they try to develop. This was one of the theories put forward for the presence of myostatin in the first place -- to maintain the natural balance of developing organ systems. It seems to me that tipping the balance too far in favor of muscle may also lead to the possibility of this condition. Attempting to normalize body concentrations of other substances could be tricky since the genetic mechanisms for regulating them are [presumed] normal and the body would simply treat them as unnecessary. The only other question I had was why was information on the father lacking? If they're convinced it's due to a double contribution of the gene, why only provide the maternal background? I know I'm raining on some parades, but this child is not as 'blessed' as some are wont to think. He'll probably be an excellent wrestler, but not the muscle giant that some folks are predicting. |
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Yeah, this kid is not in a good situation--he clearly is going to develop many other medical problems and most likely will die of some form of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I doubt he will even make it to his teenage years but that is just an educated guess. To Radrx and others who questioned the genetics, he mimics what is sometimes done experimentally in mice--he is a so-called knock out mutant; in mice selective breeding produces offspring that lack a functional gene. These knock outs (gene inactivated) usually do not survive very long, but they can be helpful because they allow the study of how gene expression impacts physiology and function. I also doubt that myostatin blockers will be magical. I am sure there is a very good reason why myostatin is produced and why muscle growth is so tightly regulated. One possible side effect of myostatin block-aid my be a huge increased risk of malignant muscle tumors which clinically are exceptionally rare. |
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Although I'm not an expert in biology, I had learn something about nature's evolution history. At beginning when dinosaurs rule, big was the in thing. But brains are "lacking". Thus mammals thrive. Though big, early mammals are not as big as dinosaurs as nature shifts from brawn-oriented to brain-oriented. Thus men came in. Thus most giant mammals in Ice Age and a bit later extinct for 'big' is kind of 'out'. What does this thing related this topic? Myostatin makes sure we are not too big, and focused on small, yet effective mammals. Take a look at handphones. At beginning, they are big, bulky and "loud". But as time goes, they shrink but the usefulness and convience 'grew' exponientally. For Nature, big size is out of fashion. |
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I wish those of you with good scientific training would stop raining on the parades of us undereducated folk. I want my myostatin block-aid, and I want it cheap! __________________ God is in the rain. |
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Has anyone actualy tried any of the Myostatin blocking products out on the market now? I ordered a bottle of Myoblast CSP3 by Cytodyn to try out. Just wondering if anyone else has, and if so what kind of effects has it had. |
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Myostatin blockers I am going from memory, but I recall an article last year that said that the stuff on tha market now is not truly myostatin blockers. They may still be good for your routine however, as they are putting in a lot of amino acids, etc. to still give you some growth. (I was ready to charge into it last year, but hesitated) The article went on to describe how desperate the supplement industry is to get the experiment's information. (and doing some advertisement trickery in the mean time) I try to think of the reality of what the advertisers show. If it were the real McCoy, the world of bodybuilders would instantly be a LOT BIGGER. Not 10-15 lbs, but something huge like 50 lbs or more. And regular skinny guys that don't lift would be growing and doubling their body weight. The mice in the experiment had muscles that were at least twice the size of their siblings. So when you see guys like Jay Cutler consistently getting bigger (like competing over 350 lbs and later at 400 lbs) or regular 150 lb guys turning into 280 lb monsters, then it will be real. But like I said earlier, they are packing some good quality muscle builders in the stuff on the shelf. You may end up packing on some serious muscle anyway and scare us __________________ -ottomun6- It's time to stop sitting on the sidelines and get in there! |
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I didn't even know such a thing was on the market. Now on a lighter note: LG, I'm signing up friends right now! __________________ God is in the rain. |
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Yeah, the myostatin buzz-word has been around for a while and the supplement folks have been scamming big time. Well, a lot of misleading advertising anyway. I'm so pissed about supplement scams for even the stuff that does do some good. There are so many watered down products, over-hyped products, so much double-speak & pseudo science. Small amounts of active ingredients and lots of useless crap mixed in but given another name by some new flyby night company. My take on it is that if it's in one of the big BB magazines, it's crap until proven otherwise. Unfortunately there's always a new crop of naive wannabe's to eat this stuff up and bankrupt themselves in the process before they report that it's crap. Nothing replaces solid nutrition fundamentals. Believe me when real "Instant-Muscle" products appear on the market they will be very expensive and you'll hear about them through the grapevine for 5 years before the real stuff hits any sort of commercial market. In order to use supplements wisely you have to know the fundamentals of nutrition. There is no magic bullet. More is not necessarily better. Most of those who gain while using various supplements just luck out and really can't explain exactly which combination worked or why it worked. Perhaps it was the good food they ate at the same time and the attention to their workout technique and schedule. There are a very few things that do work to one degree or another but except for amino acids, they're mostly banned substances now. |
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Please sign up all your friends and send me, uh, I mean, Myo-Growth, Inc. large envelopes full of cash. Sit back and wait and you will be notified when the requisite 50,000 members have been signed up and you will then receive your first bottle of Myo-Growth nasal spray. Remember the more you sign up and the faster we get our cash, the quicker you'll get your magic bottle of Myo-Growth. "Be the first on your block to be the muscle monster you always wanted to be. Myo-Growth, it does a body good". Disclaimer: any contract or obligation implied by the above advertisement is of course pure fiction. duh! |
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Myostatin Inhibitors, The Holy Grail? Found an article in Scientific America this week which will be of interest. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...EB83414B7F0000 Seems gene therapy a little bit closer and more controllable than we might have expected. |
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Interesting article. Would you be tempted to try it? |
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I would be willing to try it. Makes you wonder what kind of effects it would have on someone right away! |
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What IS available now.... While a myostatin blocker (or at least modulator) is a nice idea, there's another approach which is very helpful and available now. The average adult male catabolizes about 60# of muscle per year. Some of this is unavoidable - tissue gets worn out or damaged and must be replaced. But some of it is avoidable and can result in increased net muscle gain. Suppose you decreased catabolism by 15% - that's 9# per year in addition to whatever you can build in new muscle mass. Pretty sweet, huh? Known anticatabolics include BCAA's and Glutamine. Both legal, and the glutamine is relatively cheap. You can also reduce catabolism by keeping your cardio in the correct range, and eating properly. I know this is not exotic, but it works and it's available now. |
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I don't think we have posted this web site as part of the discussion of Myostatin: http://www.parentprojectmd.org/ppmd/...erron_2003.pdf I know that it is a big file, but the the arm muscles of the mice are a good clue as to the muscle that the Berlin Kid has. Continue going through the pages of the site and you will see the back muscles of the Myostatin mice. If this kid should develop as much as these mice have, my guess is that he will blow away any record in olympic weight lifting. I am aware that weight lifting is considered more of a sport in Germany than it is here. I am sure that he will have available the best training in the world as he grows up. |
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perhaps this in 10-12 years.... |
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found this picture on the net, don't know if it's real or not, but it was in a legitimate news story from a real site, so who knows. didn't say how old he was in this pic, but one-arm pushups are hard as hell no matter what your bodyweight is. |
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Another child with this medical condition has surfaced. |
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Thanks for finding this article, O. Here's what I noticed: 1. No side-effects? Sounds good but I don't quite buy it. The anonymous reporter (frickin' AP) mentions that the kid's lack of bodyfat could harm him by stunting his overall growth and even his brain development so I hope they don't just write him off as superkid. 2. Speaking of superkid, doesn't this all sound like a superhero story? He's an abandoned mystery child with incredible abilities who just happens to adopted into the perfect home. There's a comic book in this? 3. Where are the adults with this condition? I'm curious to see what it looks like when your body makes all the muscles for you while you can just sit around and do nothing. Do you become the hunk we all want you to be or does it not look so great. This whole thing is just fascinating from so many viewpoints. I wish I could find out more about this but my sources (Google) don't have many, if any, good results. |
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Follow-up on "original" kid Actually there are a few follow-ups regarding the "first" kid, that can be found on the Internet. Sorry to say, but as the kid grew older (I think he is like 5 or 6 now) he grew into his body and more-or-less "averaged out" to a normal kid. There is nothing specifically "exceptional" or beyond the norm as far as he goes. However, they did note that that might change once he hits puberty, that differences may reappear at that time. |
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Oh really, where were they? I couldn't find anything. Doesn't help that they never gave out his name. |
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Did you see this dog???? __________________ The Brain is a very powerful muscle - It can defeat you or it can be your best friend - the choice is YOURS! |
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I saw that article in the Times yesterday. Imagine, that's how the mutation makes a whippet grow. Imagine on a rottweiler. Or a middleweight bb! |
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hahaha his head and legs look too small for the rest of his body now... I guess he would be the dog equivalent of guys who obsess about working upper body and ignore the legs lol |
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That's funny But his muscles are just huge! Looks more like a cartoon drawing of a muscle dog. And did you notice no bodyfat at all? SHIIITE! __________________ The Brain is a very powerful muscle - It can defeat you or it can be your best friend - the choice is YOURS! |
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So does anyone know if these myostatin blockers or inhibiters really work that you see being sold at health sotres and on the net? |
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Myostatin Blockers They DO NOT work....yet. I have a feeling that they will be hitting the pharmacies sooner than later and when they do, they'll be hitting the black market with a vengence. I'm SURE that bodybuilders aren't the only ones who will want them! Think major league baseball - football - ballet - powerlifting - soccer - golf - chess - etc!!!! But it takes bodybuilders to bring things to the forefront so others will follow. __________________ The Brain is a very powerful muscle - It can defeat you or it can be your best friend - the choice is YOURS! |
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testing I know I am bumping this back up but I have a question. Is there any test that can be performed on a kid to see if they have this myostatin blocker naturally. One of my friend's son is very tall and extremly strong for a 3 year old. And me and my freind have wondered if there is a test we can request to be done. |
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Myostatin Possibilities Surely would like to keep up on the most recent research in this and related areas. Tell me how to join this public group. Thanks. Dying to find out more for self and others I know seeking the best possible muscle growth, without steroids and their known nasty effects. Feeling sad, maybe frown fits for that, that we/I everyone doesn't know anything more conclusive in this area of potentialities. __________________ HUNGRYHUNK HUNGRYHUNK[/FONT]Krushdahunks! Last edited by MAZIVKAROLY; October 28th, 2007 at 03:15 PM. Reason: Delete frown icon |
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