Have you ever used anabolic steroids?

[fleXodus]

Originally Posted by ethernet_jock

I did one cycle of a 1-test/4ad combo gel about 2 years ago and I'd never been more depressed or irritable. It's true, I got so depressed that I didn't even want to work out towards the end. Horrible and that wasn't even *real* steroids. It worked, sure, but not all THAT well and really not worth it IMHO.

I've heard that for some people over-the-counter prohormones can actually do more harm than good, even though they are not as potent or as effective as steroids (in other words, the cost-to-benefit ratio for prohormones are dismal). Have your moods returned to normal since you did the 1-test/4ad cycle?

I'm really sorry to hear about what happened to your friend. It's sad when someone becomes beautiful on the outside, but turns pretty ugly in the interior. It's too bad that he drove away the true friends who could have helped him keep perspective on life and chose instead to immerse himself in the porn (and I'm sure drug-) scene. I hope one day he's able to realize all he's left behind.

~fleXodus

[ethernet_jock]

Yeah for the most part my moods went back to "normal" within about 2 weeks off cycle. Normal for me is variable tho as I have some emotional issues to begin with... I'm told (after the fact) that people with slight emotional or psychological issues shouldn't ever try anabolics for this reason as it seems to really exascerbate anything that might be lurking inside. I guess that's true for any "drug". Having had a baby since that time (with my wife, of course) I'm not at all interested in toying with that side of me again. I have heard that, too (since that time), that often the OTC stuff actually has WORSE sides in some cases - particularly on the psychological side. Has that been your experience too then? anybody else?

It really does suck about Rob (who now goes by a new "porn name") but fortunately he wasn't a REALLY good friend, just someone I knew from a distance who I'd talked to a few times about things we had in common. The worst part was, from my perspective, he was ALREADY beautiful on the outside before. IMHO there IS such a thing as too much muscle.

Anyhow - I'm not outright condeming steroid use but I wanted to make sure those young guys out there thinking about it knew all the possible risks involved. There are a number of guys who attend my gym who are much more occasional steroid users (I've overheard them talking about it many times) and look awesome and have great attitudes too. It can be a reasonbly "ok" thing.

Thanks again!

[polomuscle]

in response to your comments about "getting mood swings" from prohormones when you weren't even taking real roids....
That's what happened to me on Mag-10...i couldn't even finish the cycle (BOTH TIMES) because i hated how i felt. irritable,etc. i think real anabolics might even feel better than the prohormones--i'm guessing.

pd

[glammaman2000]

after pharmaceutical steroids,the depression took almost 2 months after stopping drug to go away.extremely high dosage of smilax had the same effect.closest i ever got to"roid rage"was on saw palmetto.but i wasn't angry.it was more like,"pick a fight with me!,i think it would be fun to rip off somebody's head!"a weird euphoria.& i am by nature an extremely cheerful,peaceful person.

[Mdlftr]

closest i ever got to"roid rage"was on saw palmetto.but i wasn't angry.it was more like,"pick a fight with me!,i think it would be fun to rip off somebody's head!"a weird euphoria.& i am by nature an extremely cheerful,peaceful person.
glammaman2000


..............funny, I get the same feeling with too much caffeine and not enough sleep! Doesn't do much for bulking, though.....bummer!


Mdlftr

[The Magus]

It's funny, because even after hearing all these stories, and being aware of the possibility that I'd be in the same boat (I get seriously depressed every now and then, usually seasonally), I still plan to take roids at some point.

I'm in the same situation of not having any connections, and not being confident enough to trust any roids that I probably could get if I really, really tried, so what I've told myself is that I'll put in the hard work for five years, just using legal suppliments. If, in five years, I still want to be bigger, I'll start being a little more aggressive in my search for roids.

Of course, if someone came up to me tomorrow, I'd almost definitely jump at the chance. I console myself by saying that at least I'd spend a few weeks doing some hard research before I actually started a cycle.

[Notbigenuff]

Actually, I think is important to do some research before taking any supplement--legal or not. The supplement industry isn't closely regulated like some are and frankly from what I've read in reputable newspapers and magazines--even some published by companies that sell supplements--there can be some scary stuff out there.

I, for example, had a brief flirtation with Ephedra...very brief. When taking it I always felt light headed and just in general "not right." Then a few months after I stopped taking it all the news papers were filled with the "dangers" of the stuff. I don't take everything I see in the newspaper at face value either--but I am glad in this case that I stopped taking the stuff when I did.

Just my two cents. I'd consider taking steroids too--just to see what happens mind you--if I could be guaranteed of the source, etc.

Yes, I took steroids back in the 70's. I got injections by a doctor and had a prescription for pills. I gained very quickly but neither I nor the doctor really knew enough about how to use them most effectivly. I used for about 2 months gained about 20 pounds (too much fat) I did get stronger and I looked bearish which was a total change for me at that time.

Much later, I started doing serious research on steroids and now have a large library (which is unfortunately in storage a thousand miles from me) of steroid books and related information. I did my homework well and finally attempted to get some and all the other related drugs that go with proper therapy to avoid complications. It never worked out and I never received the essential ingredients.

I'd probably try again if I had the money and and could be sure of reliably getting clean product. However, for the most part, I think I've outgrown my desire to be huge. I'm happy being healthy. I don't begrudge them to others but they are dangerous and so easy to abuse that they should be administered and monitored by professionals experienced with the particular sciences involved.

[brent]

One thing I keep hearing by people that get results(like Beefmonster) is that they have a knowledgeable doctor, who constantly monitors them. It seems to me that this should be the bare minimum. People that can't afford health insurance, and thus can't afford to see a doctor, or waste money on illegal drugs, shouldn't even consider these. Your health is too important.

[aznmuslsf]

Okay, So when I went to see the doctors to get some steroids, all my doctors preached me that I didn't need this, and they recommend me for some counseling.....obviously they saw me as sick minded man who needed some counseling. I tried several doctors hoping they would understood my desires, but in vain. Just curious, how do you guys get your stuff??!!

I'm not a doctor so I don't know the exact rules but steroids are a controlled substance and there are severe penalties for possesion, selling, & prescribing without following the rules. Ah yes, our government protecting us from ourselves again.

Consequently doctors are generally lothe to prescribe steroids without some precise medical need.

I got my steroids back in the 70's before all these rules were put in place.

A lot of steroids are smuggled in from foreign countries. There used to be some web sites that would send them to you but the the customs officials now know of most of these sites and the people who ran them and watch for packages of the right size, origin, etc. and send you a nice note inviting you to come to JFK airport and pick up your package. Yeah right. I'm going to walk right into their arms. Not on your life.

Ordering steroids through the mail is risky. Once you pick up a package you can be arrested for possession. Also if you get fake stuff, who do you complain to? Believe me it happens.

You can go to Spain or Russia or Mexico or other places and try to smuggle them in yourself but the cost of the trip means you have to smuggle a large enough supply to make the expense of the trip worthwhile. Also if you get caught it's bad news. At the very least you'll have to give up your expensive booty to the jackass in the customs department who's going to turn around amd make money off it, or do it himself.

Counterfeit steroids especially in Mexico are big business. They have look alike pills, vials. and packaging. All crap at the least and possibly dangerous.

Personal contact with a willing physician or another bodybuilder who has access through various networks of people is about the only way to assure yourself you're getting the real thing.

Isn't life wonderful?

By the way, there are LOTS of books that describe how to get steroids, what not to do when ordering them through the mail, how to recognize fakes, how to recognize the real stuff. How to inject them, which steroids to use for which purpose and which combinations to use together, etc.. Lots of information available but getting the juice is your problem. Make friends.

Sorry, no magic bullet.

-- LeatherGryphon --

[The Magus]

Everything that LG said.

So.....I'm trying the other route. I figure that if I get big naturally, become a regular face at my gym, and participate in discussions with other people interested in working out sooner or later I'll meet someone with reliable connections, and by the time I'm ready (my plan is to work out with dedication, including proper diet and suppliments, for at least 5 years) I should have a few options if I then decide to go that route.

It takes a long time, and it's not as fun as some of the stories on this site, but I figure that this way, even if I never get the roids, I'll still have a better body than I do now, and that's a good thing.

[Jim USA]

Another warning about getting steroids off the internet. I ordered and had to send a money order to a post office box. Results? You can guess. I never received anything and had no recourse. Probably shoulda seen that coming!

[traveller]

aznmuslsf,

In addition to what Magus and LeatherGryphon, consider the following:

When you're asking around in the gym, low-level dealers may be wary of you at first because they don't want to be busted by law enforcement. Magus' strategy of getting to know other muscleheads over time has been a successful strategy for others I know. I hope you have patience.

LeatherGryphon comments about problems of counterfeit steroids abroad, and problems smuggling the stuff back into the U.S. is spot on. If you understand the risks include legal implications, it's not impractical for a tourist to bring a small supply into the country. However, the consequences should be understood before you do something foolhardy. In one hypothetical scenario, a tourist visits a former Soviet republic where the Russians still launch satellites and manned space flights. That country has few tourists because it's a pain to get a tourist visa. There you can buy a personal supply of steroids in the 'top' pharmacy in the former capital for a few thousand tenghi (less than $24). That tourist isn't worried about counterfeits because the local laws permit the purchase of most drugs (so no need for black market steroids), locals aren't interested in bodybuilding (they're either skinny or fat--they're not into muscles), drugs are cheap for tourists, and the socialized medicine in that country covers locals for prescriptions. When coming back into the U.S. through customs, your visit to said country doesn't flag you for an inspection because the only things worth buying there are woolen caps and barbequed lamb shish kabobs. Keep in mind that your experience and criminal sentence may vary.

LeatherGryphon's other comment about doctors is true (based upon my experience). There are sports doctors and life extension clinics that are more liberal with hormone replacement therapy prescriptions. Some of them even advertise in major bodybuilding magazines. You, however, will pay a pretty penny for your prescription, and you do need to take a blood test before you can buy anything. Legal prescriptions are helpful if you need to go through security screenings when travelling (e.g., you're late checking in a suitcase for a flight, you tell the airline checkin agent that you cannot bring it as carryon because it contains syringes for your prescriptions).

Another angle is to make friends with cattle ranchers. Lots of bodybuilders in the U.S. take veterinary steroids. So, you may want to visit that old friend in Santa Ynez Valley who has some cattle on his 60 acres to "keep the grass mowed", and to keep himself beefier.

Aside from steroids, I hope you learn in detail about steroid cycles, which steroids are synergistic when stacked together, how to prep/use/dispose of pins and syringes, dietary/caloric requirements when on a cycle and when off, what you need for post cycle therapy, what are anti-estrogens, how to weight train, what are the side effects of steroid use (e.g., high blood pressure) and what to do about it, what blood tests you should/may want to periodically take before/during/after a cycle and various other things that *should* be understood before taking steroids. This information can be found in books and online. There is often conflicting information, but you'll decide what you want to believe.

I think my comments above are a bit preachy, but your posting indicates to me that you don't know enough to start cycling yet.

Good luck,

Traveller

P.S. I'll ignore questions about sources, cycles and dosages, so please don't ask. Try Google instead.

[The Magus]

I website that I read (www.t-mag.com) has a steroid forum, but beware that they don't take kindly to newbie questions. The assumption is that you've done extensive research before posting a question. Still, browsing through the archives will give you lots of info.

Most of that stuff goes over my head, so I figure that until I understand most of what they're talking about, I'm not ready.

Thanks guys! Good comments all.

To all newbie readers. Take note. Personally I don't think there can be too much preaching about steroids. I've done a lot of research into it a few years ago and have talked with others who've used them who agree with me. Unfortunately I did my research years after I had access to doctor prescribed steroids. Since then I've been through the process of on-line ordering and partial success with receiving good product. Not a recommended route. I am not now a user.

In addition to the illegalities involved, the potential medical problems are serious. This is a subject that needs thorough understanding of the technique, dosages, effects, nutrition, timing, hormone balance testing, etc. Do your homework. This is a long term scientific dicipline not a weekend experimentation.

The tendency is to get your hands on some product and just do it. DON'T! Make sure you have a cycle all mapped out and that you have ALL the other products that you'll need for a complete cycle. That includes the drugs to help avoid liver problems, kidney problems, prostate problems, "bitch tits", and other hormone imbalance problems. If you don't know which products I'm talking about and why then you aren't ready.

This is a complex subject and I don't have access to my research materials right now so I won't respond to requests for specific information. I've forgotten more than most people will ever know. Please, build (and understand) your own library of research materials before trying steroids.

[glammaman2000]

i had a friend who did equine steroids.he got ok results,but he SMELLED like a horse.ick

[polomuscle]

Originally Posted by Notbigenuff

Buffpussy,
I've on occasion wondered about taking steroids myself and have pretty much decided that it just ain't going to happen. Not so much out of any "moral" position or a sense of avoiding doing anything illegal. It's mostly because since 'roids are illegal, when you get your hands on some (however that happens) how do you know that they are real? There's no independent lab testing, etc.

However, if I knew that I had the real stuff...well, I guess I would cross that bridge when I came to it.

I found a clinic online--they are an anti-aging and sports clinic that basically does a blood test and then prescribes either test or HGH. I have never seen an elaborate a scam as this if it is a scam.
I left my email and phone #. Someone called me, who seemed to have good knowledge of the drugs, and seemed to be reading from a marketing script. it was an 800 number i was given to call back when i made my decision. The initial blood test was like 300 bucks, but he offered to take my recent bloods from my doctor.
Then they determine if your test level is below 1000 on some kind of scale called "the regenesis scale" created by hormone clinics. he said unless you're juiced it's basically impossible to fail. I asked if this was all legal and he said yes. i guess no one can stop a doctor from prescribing medicine if the doctor deems it therapeutic.
So...here are the prices the guy gave me.... he said it's $75 per script, which is i guess their surcharge? then: $150 for 10mL of testosterone cyp.... that's 200mg/mL. As for novaldex.... it's 100 bucks for 30 10mg tabs. He said all scripts are FedEx'ed to you from signaturepharmacy.com. These guys say they are based in Orlando. If it's just a $75 fee for a script, it doesn't hurt to try a cycle, considering what i've spent on supplements, personal trainer, and workout clothes over the last 9 years.... i would have to save up to do a decent cycle....but this does look like a too-good-to-be-true source of anabolics--LEGALLY--for those of us who do not have HIV wasting and are under 65.... so anyone have any red flags here?

by the way, one site was http://www.real-testosterone.net/?so...w=testosterone
the other one was... http://www.nulifesolutions.com/?src=overture

i got to them by googling "legal testosterone clinic" and looking on the "drugs.com" website.

easy-peasy.... sleazy?

Testosterone is to steroids like crude oil is to gasoline, yeah they both burn but there's a big difference...

It isn't difficult to get a doctor to prescribe testosterone. If you need it or even if you say you need it. Testosterone replacement therapy is to men like Estrogen replacement therapy is to women.

Testosterone comes in patch form now days (no needles required)

If you're looking for muscle growth, this isn't the answer especially if you're young. This therapy primarily helps older guys that don't produce enough naturally.

Testosterone replacement is something that should be monitored periodically to make sure other hormones don't get out of balance. That's why it's by prescription only. The best bet is to have a competent local doctor on your side.

Think carefully about this.

[glammaman2000]

steroids&GH are just the beginning.the pro's are taking a collection of medicines as long as your arm.1/2 of them are to build muscle,1/2 to counter the side effects.when you see a pro bodybuilder,you are seeing an incredibly hard-working,disciplined athlete with certain very rare genetic gifts.amongst them are uniquely efficient liver&kidneys.

[traveller]

Originally Posted by polomuscle

I found a clinic online--they are an anti-aging and sports clinic that basically does a blood test and then prescribes either test or HGH. .... i would have to save up to do a decent cycle....but this does look like a too-good-to-be-true source of anabolics--LEGALLY--for those of us who do not have HIV wasting and are under 65.... so anyone have any red flags here?

A friend of mine uses a similar clinic in Fort Lauderdale. He had no problems with that one which advertises in at least one major bodybuilding magazine. I considered using them, but I stayed with my sports medicine doctor in California, where I live.

When I was looking for opinions on which clinic to use, I searched on various bodybuilding discussion boards. It was useful to hear other people's opinions about the prices and services for those clinics.

Traveller

[polomuscle]

Originally Posted by traveller

A friend of mine uses a similar clinic in Fort Lauderdale. He had no problems with that one which advertises in at least one major bodybuilding magazine. I considered using them, but I stayed with my sports medicine doctor in California, where I live.
Traveller

...your friend's results??

[traveller]

Originally Posted by polomuscle

...your friend's results??

I think he gained less than 10 lbs. on his last cycle, but he also tried to lean out. In fact, I don't recall him having eye-popping growth on the two or three cycles I think he did. Keep in mind that he's not great about his diet and his work interferes with his working out. It seemed to me that he just wanted to gain more muscle but not as a bodybuilder would--if that makes sense. He wants to be a muscle bear, not a bodybuilder.

I only see him every few months, so I'm not sure how much he kept after his last cycle.

Traveller

[brent]

Originally Posted by traveller

... It seemed to me that he just wanted to gain more muscle but not as a bodybuilder would--if that makes sense. He wants to be a muscle bear, not a bodybuilder.... Traveller

That makes perfect sense. I think I like beefy muscle bears as much as I like bodybuilders, and that's a LOT!!! Also, I think you are smart taking a "course of action" involving your doctor. (Disclaimer: I have not juiced in any form ever, nor do I see the need as long as I am growing at a good pace naturally. However, I think it's fine that many people feel they are at a place where it is beneficial to them.) Although I know nothing about steroids, I have heard that they can make your hormone levels go crazy. I'm sure that a good doctor could help you negate most side effects. That's just my worthless opinion.

[glammaman2000]

about steroids.THEY DON'T WORK FOR EVERYBODY!i suppose you could keep upping the dosage until you see results,but i didn't want to risk it.i think it may be a bit like supplements.they work best to correct a deficiency.no deficiency,not much effect.(individual results may vary)

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by traveller

He wants to be a muscle bear, not a bodybuilder.

Traveller

I'm not clear on the distintion between "muscle bear" versus bodybuilder in this context. [The work out/physical results part] I thought a "muscle bear" was just a muscular guy who liked his body hair, as opposed to a bodybuilder, who could shave or not. Do muscle bears want to be fat?

Excuse my ignorance, but I've seen the references, and I don't quite get it!


Mdlftr

[traveller]

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

I'm not clear on the distintion between "muscle bear" versus bodybuilder in this context. [The work out/physical results part] I thought a "muscle bear" was just a muscular guy who liked his body hair, as opposed to a bodybuilder, who could shave or not. Do muscle bears want to be fat?

'Muscle bear' is an imprecise label. This guy likes having a belly and never wants to lose it, where as the stereotypical bodybuilder usually wants to get rid of it, at least once in a while. I don't think a lot of muscle bears want to diet down to be ripped as many bodybuilders want.

So much for labelling people.

Traveller

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by traveller

'Muscle bear' is an imprecise label.

>>>>>This guy likes having a belly and never wants to lose it, <<<<<


where as the stereotypical bodybuilder usually wants to get rid of it, at least once in a while. I don't think a lot of muscle bears want to diet down to be ripped as many bodybuilders want.

So much for labelling people.

Traveller

Traveller,
Thanks for the response! Now, for my follow up "DQ"#2:

It is only THIS guy who 'likes having a belly', or is this some sort of esoteric subset of 'muscle bears'? I thought getting muscle was about getting in shape? Why would anyone want a fat gut along with their muscles?

Do people think it makes the muscle more "authentic" or something?

I.e., 'my gut along with my muscle shows that I don't take any fat burning drugs, so, the assumption is that this makes my muscle more likely to be non-drug assisted as well'?


Or am I just full of "what bears do in the woods?!"

Mdlftr

[traveller]

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

It is only THIS guy who 'likes having a belly', or is this some sort of esoteric subset of 'muscle bears'? I thought getting muscle was about getting in shape? Why would anyone want a fat gut along with their muscles?

There is a large group of muscle bears who have big bellies--some bellies are sagging fat but some are solid and smooth and don't giggle if you slap it. Having a fat gut with lots of muscles is a desired look for quite a few muscle bears.

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

Do people think it makes the muscle more "authentic" or something?

Dunno. To each his own.

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

I.e., 'my gut along with my muscle shows that I don't take any fat burning drugs, so, the assumption is that this makes my muscle more likely to be non-drug assisted as well'?

That's not always the case because you can lose fat (and muscle) without drugs, but you may end up dropping more weight than you'd like.

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

Or am I just full of "what bears do in the woods?!"

Funny that you mention 'bears' and 'woods'. I went to the Russian River that's north of San Francisco for the 'Lazy Bear Weekend' event where bears frolic in the woods. There were prime examples of the muscle bear spectrum ranging from very lean, heavily muscled and hairy to fat, heavily muscled and hairy. Of course, there were a lot of people who weren't heavily muscled but my attention wasn't focused on them. I was bummed that I only could drive up on Saturday afternoon and leave at noon on Sunday. I didn't have much free time (I worked early Saturday morning and late Sunday afternoon), and neither did the person who went with me---one of these days, I'll call him my boyfriend.


Traveller

[ethernet_jock]

I always thought the definition of a "muscle bear" was just the overall hairiness factor. A sub-definition, to me, might include the fact that muscle bears tend to be less lean than an abercrombie and fitch model... and there is a general basic requirement to being at least somewhat tall and large/solid in general, but I didn't think that outright "fat" was part of it.

Anyhowz.... don't know why I commented here, but I did.

EDIT - P.S. Point-in-case about fat and steroids. I'd rather be a little chubby for the rest of my life (as I am right now) than have to take Steroids in order to get thin and muscular at the same time. For me, it's not about "proving" anything... just about being clean and smart.

[muslguy]

Originally Posted by aznmuslsf

Okay, So when I went to see the doctors to get some steroids, all my doctors preached me that I didn't need this, and they recommend me for some counseling.....obviously they saw me as sick minded man who needed some counseling. I tried several doctors hoping they would understood my desires, but in vain. Just curious, how do you guys get your stuff??!!

I have been wanting to try my first cycle for the past few years now. I knew that I couldn't go to a doctor since steroids are illegal. It's something they don't want to deal with. So my other options were to find a website or meet someone at my gym. I am very reserved at the gym. I keep to myself. It's difficult for me to strike up a conversation with anyone. Then, I was chatting with a buddy of mine online and told him that I was intersted in trying them. He said "I will get you what you need." Just like that...I have a source.

I haven't made my first purchase yet, but plan to in the next few months. I would like to pay my car off first LOL.

My point of this story is the best way to find a source is to meet other guys at the gym or wherever that have the same bodybuilding aspirations. Most likely they know a source and will help you get them.

[muscle_mastah]

Yeah, that tends to be the way.

[glammaman2000]

...just find a corrupt doctor.There's no shortage of them.You just have to shop around.The legit ones won't turn you in for asking.That way,you'll know what you're getting&have a consistent supply.

[biguglymofo]

my experience with doctors and the use of anabolic steroids is that most don't know what they're talking about. The endocrine system is something they know a little bit about, but few if any MD will have the street knowledge you need to cope with the sides.

I'm on my first cycle. LOL, I tried to change my vote for the poll because when this thread started I was considering use. Now I'm no longer a gear virgin.

Anyhow, there's a health risk involved with steroid use just like there is with the use of any medication. The best tool you have is to educate yourself. Read up on use, cycles and dosing. Legal Muscle is quite possibly the best overall text on the subject. There are also several forums that cover use of anabolics. Remember, there's no skimping on your gear and your ancillaries. Ancillaries are the drugs you take to control or prevent sides like gynocomastia, etc. You also need them to help jump start your endocrine system when you go off. While depression while on is not unheard of, it's more common when you come off cycle. Ancillaries will help by allowing your body to kick up it's own testosterone production.

Anyhow, I hope this helps folks...and ethernet jock...was that methyl - 1 test you took? If so it's not a prohormone but the real thing. It's highly androgenic and very toxic to your liver. It somehow wasn't on the schedule of contolled substances and was sold legally through a loophole. From what I've seen talking to friends experiences on it vary from great to completely shutting them down (sexually). The 1AD is suppose to help with that. My own personal experience with it is that it made me as horny as a teenager and gave me a slightly aggressive edge. It was perceptible to me but not anybody else....LOL, I found myself getting extremely frustrated in traffic and a little less tolerant of other's bullshit.

[ethernet_jock]

nd ethernet jock...was that methyl - 1 test you took?

oh hell.... I can't remember..... it's been a long time.

I went back to the site I bought it from (1fast400.com) and they don't sell it anymore so I couldn't find it. It was a topical androgenic gel of some kind that contained some combination of a 1-test and I believe a 4AD together.

it:

1.) worked... I gained about 15lbs of mass over a 7 week cycle and only lost about 5lbs after getting off of it.

2.) made me as horny as a teenager (as you so aptly describe).

3.) added to my existing agressive nature in a pretty negative way.

4.) towards the end of the cycle (the last 2-3 weeks) made almost a polaric switch to a remarkable loss of energy and increase in depressive attitude.

I've never put anything into my body that effected my mood so significantly as that did.

That's why I said (somewhere, I can't even find my original post) that steroids aren't for everyone - they certainly weren't for me - but that it's a decision each person has to make for themselves.

---

I think I still have a half of 3/4 bottle at home somewhere because I bought 2 or 3 after the first cycle worked so well and then about 1/4 way into my second cycle I started getting depressed and weird again and decided I'd better stop. I held onto it because it cost so damn much that I couldn't throw it away!! LOL It was like $80/bottle and the bottle would last 6-8 weeks if you used it 2x/day at like 4-5 squirts per use. Does that help in identification any? If I find it, I'll let you know.

Thanks for the input! Happy & Safe Lifting!

[RoidBoy]

Never, that's something very bad!