Secret Experiments: The SS conspiracy

[J.A.M.86]

So I have been bouncing a story around in my head for quite sometime, and acutally want to make a Ken Burns-ish style "documentary" on the story using pictures that I have made and collected, however, I think that I should start posting the story to see an interest level in the subject. This Story is about the mysteries behind the German SS and a certain Super Soldier program that, "never was." In no way am I saying by referencing aryan topics am I reflecting a personal view of somesort. I just found the topic of the Nazi's "Secret" experiments a storyline that could go quite a long way---especially in the area of Muscle growth. So here is the first instalment of the story and I must say that this entire section does not have any muscle growth in it, but sets up the stage for the most amazing section and ending that I have instore [waiting in the back of my mind to be put on the page]

[COLOR=white]In 1935, shortly after the advent of Himmler?s SS Unit, Hitler posed a question to his commanders; specifically the question fell to Himmler, because of the elite nature of the SS. The question concerned the possibility of a super soldier program that would be a perfect representation of the Aryan race. Himmler replied that he would do everything within his power to bring Hitler the results he wanted.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Himmler?s plan began with the consultation of Deutschland?s greatest scientific minds. The only thing that they could come up with to give answers to the Furer?s request was the institution of a selective breeding program. Himmler soon put out the call to his best and most virile SS officers and soldiers to begin selection for this new breeding program. However, Hitler pointed out that the issue of battle readiness for these new babies would be a problem. It would take years before these specially bred specimens would be ready for military training of any kind.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Hitler demanded that the results be quicker than just a breeding program alone, and in turn Himmler impressed upon the scientists the great need for them to present results in a very timely manner. They main issue was to make a soldier Stronger and Faster and even more sexually virile. At the end of 1935 the question still remained? How could Germany truly produce the perfect Aryan male?[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]After about two years of experimentation with early forms of steroids, a German Scientist by the name of Heinz Liederswaggen came across a very peculiar situation while home at the family farm in the German countryside. While he was sitting out on the patio one afternoon, overlooking the cows out at pasture, he noticed a Bull, that was still a yearling (he knew this by how it remained close to its mother) that was extremely large for a bull of that young age. It wasn?t just a large calf, but a gargantuan muscular beast. This bull?s muscle structure was even more advanced than that of a full grown male. Heinz immediately took pictures and had the bull shipped to the lab in Berlin. Hopefully he had just stumbled upon the thing that would save their program?and their heads.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Heinz hypothesized that if they could just figure out what it was that caused the extreme muscle growth in the bull that perhaps they could extend that trait to humans, and in turn give Hitler the super soldiers that he was demanding. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]As they studied the bull they found that not only was the musculature larger and stronger but also the bone mass and density was equally as strong. They finally gathered that the only way for them to determine the cause of this extreme growth was to breed the bull. First, however, they wanted to look at a semen sample from the bull. They began to stimulate they bull, by electric shock, to extract his seed. When they did they found that with every orgasm and involuntary muscle spasm that accompanied it the bulls muscles grew larger ever so slightly. After several semen samples had been extracted from the bull and the muscle density had grown in thickness by one entire inch [all over the bulls body] they began ejaculating the bull on a regular basis just to see how much it could actually grow.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]As the experiment progressed and the bull became bigger and bigger, Heinz began to notice that the potency factor of the bull?s semen became larger as well. There was more release every time the bull ejaculated. With this observation, the Doctors all began to connect the dots. There was a direct correlation between muscle size and the sexafication of the specimen. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]With 1937 fast approaching and Hitler demanding answers, they began to move towards actually using the semen samples in experiments. Dr. Leiderswaggen began picking apart the semen samples to isolate the different parts of the solution. They soon had gotten the solution down to its purist form?by eliminating the amount of water in the mixture. This left them with a very thick pasty liquid that looked like slime of some sort. They began mixing the semen compound with food that was fed to mice, in order to note the effects on the mice when the compound was given orally. They also injected the mice. None of which showed any results except for an increase in the sex drive of the mice...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=white]I am going to leave off here for now, and will post the rest of the first enstalment when i get around to it this week[/COLOR][/COLOR]

[TheMM]

Hmm...I suppose I'm ok with this, but you had better not even mention once anything about putting down Jews or anything to do with the Holocaust. (Mentioning it historically, that's fine, but having your character take part in it, you had better not even dare.)

I don't know how anyone else will feel about it, but that's my view.

[V.R.Goh]

I agree with MM. Anything that's pro-Nazi in the story is going to cause some major issues, to say the least. Keep this going, but tread very carefully.

[Maverick0095875]

ok my family is german and my great great grandfather was FORCED TO SERVE UNDER HITLER and this just made me cleary upset. PLease dont post any more of this

[chronos]

Again I'll agree with the MM on this, I'm a history and political science major so naturally I'm really into history especially WWII but the warning has been put out there please be careful about how you go about this subject . Right now you could either do this story tastefully or you could bring about some really bad stuff and be flamed and torn a new one if you slip up. But you probably though about this before you posted the story but just making it clear

[Adam]

Obviously Hitler's regime was one of, if not THE, greatest examples of evil in world history. No sane person could support what the Nazis did in real life. This, however, is a STORY, a fictional tale. As historical fiction it actually has a very realistic basis, given the Nazi's obsessive belief in the superiority of the Aryans. Now it is true that for some people even a fictional depiction of successful Nazi experiments in genetics might strike too close to home. I can certainly understand and sympathize, and I offer a very reasonable solution: DON'T READ ANY FUTURE CHAPTERS OF THIS STORY! I'm quite certain that no one is being FORCED to read this tale; no one has a gun to their head and will be killed if they don't click on future installments. So excercise your freedom to avoid material you find offensive. As I've said before, there are plenty of stories here with themes that I dislike. But I don't try to censor the author, I don't post and tell him that he shouldn't write any more just because I dislike his theme. I simply don't read the story!

[Corwin]

Originally Posted by TheMM

Hmm...I suppose I'm ok with this, but you had better not even mention once anything about putting down Jews or anything to do with the Holocaust. (Mentioning it historically, that's fine, but having your character take part in it, you had better not even dare.)

I don't know how anyone else will feel about it, but that's my view.

Stop.

History may make you uncomfortable, but what happened did happen and your discomfort should not rewrite it. Hiding the Nazi breeding/eugenics program will not make it go away. Abortions were promoted for the mentally retarded. Giving birth was outlawed for Jewish women. Gay men were sterilized. Lesbians were raped, and gay men sent to brothels in order to promote birth rates.

The eugenics program was distinct from the Final Solution.

This author has chosen to write a story about a period of history full of horrors. Human beings were experimented on to advance "science". Certainly, the Nazi programs were designed to create perfect humans, and in some sense, a hypermasculine male is the perfection sought on this board.

Don't allow your baggage and your misconceptions of the Nazi era censor writing here.

Scott, who owns www.pink-triangle.org and probably has read more books on this era than most here, so "don't fuck with me fellas"

[Corwin]

Originally Posted by Maverick0095875

ok my family is german and my great great grandfather was FORCED TO SERVE UNDER HITLER and this just made me cleary upset. PLease dont post any more of this

So, your family legacy is to promote censorship of what upsets you?

[abbraxis]

Well, I don't see a problem with using the concept of the SS or Hitler's facination with all things mysterious (it's generally accepted to be true). As long as you don't get too political, it shouldn't be a problem with the majority of members here.

And Corwin's right. Even if you *DO* get political, so what?

The person you offend will stop reading your story and you might get some critical replies/PMs.

It's all up to you, J.A.M.86. It's your story and as far as *I'M* concerned, your universe. Do with it what you will...

[Kymuscleboy]

I can't put in any better than Scott (Corwin). There seems to be a trend toward people advocating censorship on this board and THAT is very frightening to me.

People need to keep in mind that these stories are FICTION and FANTASY. While I don't want to see a story that's a veiled attempt to post hate speech, certain plot elements are necessary in order to advance the story line and maintain a realistic view of the time period.

[Shade]

I don't usually wade into the fray on political issues, but this one really got under my skin. I strongly believe in free speech. I agree with the thinking of Corwin and others that the author of this story should be allowed to post it and continue posting to it if he so chooses. There's a lot of stuff written on these boards. Some of it is good and some of it is not so good for a variety of reasons, including poor writing ability and questionable content. I've read stories that incorporate sadistic violence and I've read stories that incorporate incest. Personally, I find incest along with pedophilia and ethnic cleansing to be about some of the worst and most disgusting concepts I've ever come across. However, I accept that other people may hold different views and may share their views on them freely. I hold faith in collective good sense, so that bad ideas will quickly be seen to be of little or no value if the opportunity is given for them to be debated in an environment that is open. That's part of living in a democracy. But to that end we must also create a climate that allows the dissenters to freely air their views too. I just hope that the tone of the conversation remains civil and logically well reasoned, instead of degenerating into a shouting match to see who can intimidate the others by talking the loudest.

Finally, I would just add that if something like this were to become a legal issue (as, for example, promotion of Nazism is a crime in most of the EU), then it would best be left up to the owner of the board to resolve in a way he saw best fit. Let's face it, at the end of the day it's his ass on the line. Also remember that Nazi Germany was not the only country to practice Eugenics. It's been practiced in the states as well, and it has been written on these boards as well in other forms. So people in glass houses and all....

[Username3]

Nothing really offended me here.
Sure, it has some Nazi refrences, but nothing that serious so far.

I say keep going

[chocomus]

I think that the fact that a person can grow each time he cums is hot. Please, continue. This seems promising. Now i understand your picture much more

Political, history... that's just the background added for this story. Besides it can end with the muscle grown people taking over and destroying the reich, it's fantasy so, why not changing histoy?

I love stories in which they grow and take over the institution who grew them just to use them.

Please, keep going!

[vlad]

jeez, didn't think the tie to Nazis would be so controversial in a...fantasy muscle growth story. Lighten up! Besides, giant Germans getting bigger the more they shoot their loads (I'm assuming that's where this is going) is hot. And hey, maybe it'll turn into an alternate-reality sort of thing where these German muscle giants turn on the SS, topple the Nazis, and prevent WWII?

[Adam]

Or maybe it will turn into an alternate reality story in which Germany wins the war and rules the world, a tale about the ultimate triumph of evil. Either way, it's just a story.

[MAZIVKAROLY]

Originally Posted by J.A.M.86

So I have been bouncing a story around in my head for quite sometime, and acutally want to make a Ken Burns-ish style "documentary" on the story using pictures that I have made and collected, however, I think that I should start posting the story to see an interest level in the subject. This Story is about the mysteries behind the German SS and a certain Super Soldier program that, "never was." In no way am I saying by referencing aryan topics am I reflecting a personal view of somesort. I just found the topic of the Nazi's "Secret" experiments a storyline that could go quite a long way---especially in the area of Muscle growth. So here is the first instalment of the story and I must say that this entire section does not have any muscle growth in it, but sets up the stage for the most amazing section and ending that I have instore [waiting in the back of my mind to be put on the page]

[COLOR=white]In 1935, shortly after the advent of Himmler?s SS Unit, Hitler posed a question to his commanders; specifically the question fell to Himmler, because of the elite nature of the SS. The question concerned the possibility of a super soldier program that would be a perfect representation of the Aryan race. Himmler replied that he would do everything within his power to bring Hitler the results he wanted.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Himmler?s plan began with the consultation of Deutschland?s greatest scientific minds. The only thing that they could come up with to give answers to the Furer?s request was the institution of a selective breeding program. Himmler soon put out the call to his best and most virile SS officers and soldiers to begin selection for this new breeding program. However, Hitler pointed out that the issue of battle readiness for these new babies would be a problem. It would take years before these specially bred specimens would be ready for military training of any kind.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Hitler demanded that the results be quicker than just a breeding program alone, and in turn Himmler impressed upon the scientists the great need for them to present results in a very timely manner. They main issue was to make a soldier Stronger and Faster and even more sexually virile. At the end of 1935 the question still remained? How could Germany truly produce the perfect Aryan male?[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]After about two years of experimentation with early forms of steroids, a German Scientist by the name of Heinz Liederswaggen came across a very peculiar situation while home at the family farm in the German countryside. While he was sitting out on the patio one afternoon, overlooking the cows out at pasture, he noticed a Bull, that was still a yearling (he knew this by how it remained close to its mother) that was extremely large for a bull of that young age. It wasn?t just a large calf, but a gargantuan muscular beast. This bull?s muscle structure was even more advanced than that of a full grown male. Heinz immediately took pictures and had the bull shipped to the lab in Berlin. Hopefully he had just stumbled upon the thing that would save their program?and their heads.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]Heinz hypothesized that if they could just figure out what it was that caused the extreme muscle growth in the bull that perhaps they could extend that trait to humans, and in turn give Hitler the super soldiers that he was demanding. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]As they studied the bull they found that not only was the musculature larger and stronger but also the bone mass and density was equally as strong. They finally gathered that the only way for them to determine the cause of this extreme growth was to breed the bull. First, however, they wanted to look at a semen sample from the bull. They began to stimulate they bull, by electric shock, to extract his seed. When they did they found that with every orgasm and involuntary muscle spasm that accompanied it the bulls muscles grew larger ever so slightly. After several semen samples had been extracted from the bull and the muscle density had grown in thickness by one entire inch [all over the bulls body] they began ejaculating the bull on a regular basis just to see how much it could actually grow.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]As the experiment progressed and the bull became bigger and bigger, Heinz began to notice that the potency factor of the bull?s semen became larger as well. There was more release every time the bull ejaculated. With this observation, the Doctors all began to connect the dots. There was a direct correlation between muscle size and the sexafication of the specimen. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]With 1937 fast approaching and Hitler demanding answers, they began to move towards actually using the semen samples in experiments. Dr. Leiderswaggen began picking apart the semen samples to isolate the different parts of the solution. They soon had gotten the solution down to its purist form?by eliminating the amount of water in the mixture. This left them with a very thick pasty liquid that looked like slime of some sort. They began mixing the semen compound with food that was fed to mice, in order to note the effects on the mice when the compound was given orally. They also injected the mice. None of which showed any results except for an increase in the sex drive of the mice...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=white]I am going to leave off here for now, and will post the rest of the first enstalment when i get around to it this week[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Thanks for an intriguing beginning installment. Looking forward to more...

[J.A.M.86]

So with everyones response on sensorship alone...lol. I just wanted to say that in no way were there going to be refernces to Jews, let alone in a negitive fashion. This is a story solely contained within the ranks of the Third Rich. In a way though, and you will see through my conclusion to the story, that [and i hope im not giving away too much] things don't always work out the best for the bad guy. In writing this story I wanted to pose an interesting take on some of the secret conspiracy's that the germans experimented with--but still wind up with the triumphant end to WWII that really did happen[the alies triumph over evil] Most importantly I will be tactful in my writing and in no way put down one group of people or another

[TheMM]

Originally Posted by J.A.M.86

So with everyones response on sensorship alone...lol. I just wanted to say that in no way were there going to be refernces to Jews, let alone in a negitive fashion. This is a story solely contained within the ranks of the Third Rich. In a way though, and you will see through my conclusion to the story, that [and i hope im not giving away too much] things don't always work out the best for the bad guy. In writing this story I wanted to pose an interesting take on some of the secret conspiracy's that the germans experimented with--but still wind up with the triumphant end to WWII that really did happen[the alies triumph over evil] Most importantly I will be tactful in my writing and in no way put down one group of people or another

And with you saying that...I'm fine with your story now.

I greatly look forward to it.

[J.A.M.86]

I am posting my second insalment of the story now...NEW THREAD....

[funboy]

Originally Posted by TheMM

And with you saying that...I'm fine with your story now.

I greatly look forward to it.

Wow - and I get picked on some times for being uptight. Now I am really going to offend some people.

First - Hitler accomplished the most amazing economic turn-around of a country in history - and that was before he started picking on Jewish people. But no one ever wants to talk about that.

He also gave the German people their pride back ? again before he fell into picking on Jewish people (and others). But no one wants to talk about that, either. We just want to believe he was a complete aberration in the history of the world. Well, in my opinion that is just selective memory.

Second - I am not German, nor a supporter of Hitler, nor a Nazi sympathizer, nor Jewish, nor anti-Jewish. So before you get into all those complaints I can only say one thing. Get over it!

Third - for all Jewish people - you are not the only people in history to be systematically picked on over the years, and you likely will not be the last. Again - GET OVER IT! I am not trying to trivialize the past and will always remember this period for the lessons it teaches us - but I am tired of the clinging to a ridiculous and extreme way of thinking that most in the modern world would never accept. Find another soap box. It's time to move on.

Fourth - the attempts at censoring this story are so out of place it appalls me. Even if it did involve some persecution of Jewish people (which it does not) is that not what we are constantly reminded about in the first place?! Is it only Jewish people, protectors of all that happened negatively in the world, that can talk about this and tell stories? Did the world never do anything good for Jewish people?

I have heard enough of this. I don't mean to trivialize anything from the Holocaust - but enough is enough.

I don't mean to offend, but I have listened for too long and stayed quiet. Go ahead and start the screaming. I am still listening.

[TheMM]

Yes, you are right in what you speak. We should move on about everything that happened, but also not forget any of it.

I was also just stating what I had been taught most of my life, that most of what Hitler did was horrible in every sense. You were a little harsh in what you said, but that is what pretty much all of the world believes; there are whole countries that still hate Germany, despite it being so long ago. I hope not because they hate Germans in general, but probably because the Nazi party seems to deny the Holocaust ever happening, or acting like it wasn't such a big deal.

So yes, it is time to move on, but to be honest, we might not ever completely stop thinking about World War 2 and the atrocities commited in it.

[funboy]

Originally Posted by TheMM

Yes, you are right in what you speak. We should move on about everything that happened, but also not forget any of it.

I was also just stating what I had been taught most of my life, that most of what Hitler did was horrible in every sense. You were a little harsh in what you said, but that is what pretty much all of the world believes; there are whole countries that still hate Germany, despite it being so long ago. I hope not because they hate Germans in general, but probably because the Nazi party seems to deny the Holocaust ever happening, or acting like it wasn't such a big deal.

So yes, it is time to move on, but to be honest, we might not ever completely stop thinking about World War 2 and the atrocities commited in it.

A very mature response. I understand about not forgetting. I told my father the same thing when he asked me "Won't you ever forget?" regarding problems in my childhood. I told him, "Dad, I have forgiven that a long time ago - and I hope you have too. I cannot forget because it is a part of me and what I am. But I don't dwell on it and certainly don't bear any hatred or negative thoughts over it. You are my father, I am your son - I love you. Plain and simple."

We both shed a few tears - privately of course (men don't cry with other men - right?).

By remembering, we pay honour to those who went before us, regardless of the reason.

[TheMM]

Originally Posted by funboy

A very mature response. I understand about not forgetting. I told my father the same thing when he asked me "Won't you ever forget?" regarding problems in my childhood. I told him, "Dad, I have forgiven that a long time ago - and I hope you have too. I cannot forget because it is a part of me and what I am. But I don't dwell on it and certainly don't bear any hatred or negative thoughts over it. You are my father, I am your son - I love you. Plain and simple."

We both shed a few tears - privately of course (men don't cry with other men - right?).

By remembering, we pay honour to those who went before us, regardless of the reason.

Of course, I'm glad you realize this. And I thank you for that compliment.

I will also never forget the atrocities of the past, as my uncle (he's a Vietnam vet.) told me something (which I cannot remember currently) about never forgetting the good, and the bad of war. It brings out the best, and worst attributes of humanity, no matter what the conflict is.

I also do realize, I was a bit harsh in my first post as well, but I see now to be a little less...extreme in what I think should and shouldn't be placed here.


(Non-serious moment-) Nah, of course not. A man crying in public? Truly sad. A man crying in private (alone or not), quite ok.

Now, I'm going to do a super-"manly" thing, and go watch The Notebook.

[redwolf64]

I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops, whatever direction it goes.

There's an attraction for Nazi imagery in sex stories because it represents something taboo. I'm not sure anyone could do a story with a Nazi theme that wouldn't offend someone, but the thing about the web is that we can turn away if something goes in a direction we don't feel comfortable with.

If you go with something that mirrors the "real" world, these types of soldiers would have been most useful to the Germans in the build up to the War - proving that the "master race" couldn't be stopped. So you've probably started in the right direction to make it work on one level.