Soy and male agression

#1 November 29th, 2004, 06:27 PM

Saw this on Netscape today. Soy protein affects males differently than females.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/men/...foodaggressive

buffdoc · #2 November 29th, 2004, 06:42 PM

Yeah, avoid soy as a primary protein source. It has been know for awhile to have a number of estrogenic properties--not exactly the ideal dietary supplement when attempting to build muscle.

glammaman2000 · #3 November 29th, 2004, 07:21 PM

WHO WRITES THIS F**KIN"CRAP,ANYWAY!!!(currently chewing on a squirrel)

#4 November 29th, 2004, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by glammaman2000

WHO WRITES THIS F**KIN"CRAP,ANYWAY!!!(currently chewing on a squirrel)

Huh? Translation please.

#5 November 29th, 2004, 08:28 PM

Hmm... Heavily invested in soy, Glamma?

brent · #6 November 29th, 2004, 10:18 PM

Well, I eat TONS of soy every day (soy milk, soy protein powder, tofu, soy candy bars, soy EVERYTHING!) While I'm not sure what the link is between monkeys & humans, I do know that I'm stronger, more energetic, and more aggressive than meat-eating pussies.

ethernet_jock · #7 November 30th, 2004, 06:34 AM

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and more aggressive than meat-eating pussies.

now THERE'S something I'll take exception to...

I'll see you at the next Sabaki Challenge - agressive vegan soy boy... hehehe.

No - I wasn't good enough to be one of the elite 37 and I probably never will be - those guys commit their entire lives to martial arts the same way that a rare few commit to body building. But.... it's nice to pretend to be that good.

brent · #8 November 30th, 2004, 08:08 AM

I'm not vegan, and never made the claim of being one. They have yet to make an acceptable (to me) substitute for eggs, and cheese. I only claim to be vegetarian, meaning no animal parts. Animal secretions on the other hand are fair game!

As for the martial arts challenge thing, I know nothing of that Chinese bullsh*t. I'd just bludgeon them with a blunt object the day before so your competition is impaired the day of the competition. That's how the thinking man takes care of things...

ethernet_jock · #9 November 30th, 2004, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brent

I'm not vegan, and never made the claim of being one. They have yet to make an acceptable (to me) substitute for eggs, and cheese. I only claim to be vegetarian, meaning no animal parts. Animal secretions on the other hand are fair game!

As for the martial arts challenge thing, I know nothing of that Chinese bullsh*t. I'd just bludgeon them with a blunt object the day before so your competition is impaired the day of the competition. That's how the thinking man takes care of things...

Oh right, sorry! That was my freakish excuse for a father who has taken veganism to a new level by adding that anything even cooked isn't ok to eat. Yes - that's right - he lives off of raw nuts, fruits, and vegetables and NOTHING else. I think we've discussed this before tho. Sorry for the confusion... vegitarian boy.

brent · #10 November 30th, 2004, 09:37 AM

That's OK. We have discussed this, but it still confuses me. Isn't this the same father that was abusive? It sounds like when he decided to turn a new leaf, he really went to the extreme and turn the whole forrest. Also, my diet includes food prepared by driving-through, I bet he doesn't allow that! (either should I...)

- Zipper Head.

Corwin · #11 November 30th, 2004, 09:45 AM

but that may be just because I am allergic to it. I am a very good soy bean detector. It is suprising how many vitamins and food contain soy unexpectedly -- Cheerios, most chocolate, salad dressings... If you are unsure whether your food contains secret soy, feed it to me and if I puke all over you, it contains soy.

Scott, being helpful

ethernet_jock · #12 November 30th, 2004, 11:11 AM

holy shit - allergic to soy? that would suck!! I bet Chinese food is like a torture chamber for you... insane.

Brent - Yes, the same one. He had a battle with acute prostate cancer that got out of control a little while ago and he feels that his remission was more due to the diet that his new wife found for him than for any of the kemo or radiation treatments. He wasn't supposed to live, but he did. I only talk to him about every 3 or 4 months and see him maybe once or twice a year even tho he only lives 90 minutes from me. He's definitely a different person, but still not "right" and not the kind of person I want my son to really get to know. This situation of his "new leaf" represents a significant inner struggle of mine to try and find forgivenness for someone who doesn't feel remorse and whom I'm not convinced is truly "changed". Most of the time I just chose to not think about his existance but whenever the subject of veganism and vegitarianism comes up I always do because of the extremeness of his diet. Otherwise - the only remaining question for me becomes - how will I feel when he dies?

Anyhow - enough off topic.

brent · #13 November 30th, 2004, 05:50 PM

I'm just glad I'm not allergic to soy! I don't think I'd want to live without my Genisoy bars!

EJ, If your dad hasn't shown remorse, then screw patching things up. It sounds like he's a vegan for selfish reasons. It is a good demonstration of the healing properties of whole foods, but it sounds like he's only healed his body, not his heart IMHO. As for me, I'm looking for a pair of dancing shoes for when my dad dies, but that's another topic altogether...

Corwin · #14 November 30th, 2004, 06:00 PM

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I'm just glad I'm not allergic to soy! I don't think I'd want to live without my Genisoy bars!

Protein bars are a real problem. I have to HUNT to find bars that don't contain soy or lecithan (a soy product).

Through my job, I work with a major fitness product supplier. They often give us free samples, but I can't use any of it. They see me eating a competitors product, and began to tease me. I respond, "all your products contain soy and I'm allergic." Their product manager challenged me saying that no, some products mustn't contain soy and they would send me free samples. I've never heard back from her, but she did stop teasing me.

RyokoYaksa · #15 January 6th, 2005, 10:52 PM

Ugh, soy supplements. How disgusting. I much prefer my regular tofu and soy milk, thanks. I thought it was known that intaking (awy) too much soy isoflavone would cause hormonal imbalances in males. Eh, science is slow.

The Magus · #16 January 7th, 2005, 03:56 AM

I've been hearing bad stuff about soy for a while. An intersting thing I heard is that because soy is so cheap to produce, companies are starting to use it as filler more and more (right now I think most filler comes from corn: another calorie/carb-rich and nutrient-poor food).

I've heard that if you can get unprocessed soy, as close to organically grown as possible, you're okay, and will get all of the benefits, but if you're eating the processed/mass-produced soy you're probably getting all the estrogen-producing effects (plus an increase in cancer risk, plus some other stuff).

I was a vegetarian for ten years, and plan on becoming a vegetarian again after I feel I'm well on the road to having the body I want (give me another year or two), but this news on the soy thing means that I'm going to have to do some extra planning with my diet before I give up meat again.

brent · #17 January 7th, 2005, 04:56 PM

It's odd that soy, corn, and bread seem to be the main killers in society today considering mankind has only eaten them for millennia.

#18 January 7th, 2005, 06:11 PM

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It's odd that soy, corn, and bread seem to be the main killers in society today considering mankind has only eaten them for millennia.

Ah ha, and people have been dying for thousands of years. Perhaps I see a connection!?

I'm sure statisticians could prove that the biggest cause of death is life. :-)

RadRx · #19 January 7th, 2005, 06:43 PM

Brent:

I don't think that those food sources are meant to be the primary culprit; it's the extensive processing they undergo on their way to the market. These processes pretty much rob them of nutritional value. It's one of the reasons bread is enriched -- bleaching wheat to produce flour destroys vitamins.

The Magus · #20 January 8th, 2005, 02:06 AM

RadRx took the words out of my mouth. The processing, and, increasingly, the engineering (genetic and otherwise) that goes into mass producing those foods can drastically change their nutritional content.

Plus, I don't think you could effectively argue that a healthy diet from 100, 1000, or 10,000 years ago is quite the same as a healthy diet today. The average person today is taller than they were generations ago, for example, because we do have access to more variety of food.

Also, lifestyles in general have changed drastically over the years. Activity levels are different, the types of activities are different, and the needs of the average person to get by today are definitely not the same needs as our ancestors'. I'm not sure it's always wise to say that because we have always done "x", we should keep doing "x" forever.

brent · #21 January 8th, 2005, 09:06 AM

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it's the extensive processing they undergo on their way to the market. These processes pretty much rob them of nutritional value.
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That's a good point, and one reason why I try to buy as much organic food as I can. BTW, reading the book Fast Food Nation really opens your eyes to how crappy the food we eat is.