question for the straight guys here

newmus · #1 September 26th, 2006, 09:45 AM

forgive me if this has already been discussed but, i was wondering, what do you straight guys get out of this site that you don't get out of more mainstream bodybuilding sites? i know some of you get a kick out of the mg stories sans the gay sex bits, but i encounter you guys mainly in the other forums. the only thing i can think of is you can be more comfortable with your level of appreciation for muscle here than someplace else, without being accused of being gay. how close am i?

CelticMuscle · #2 September 26th, 2006, 02:47 PM

More or less, yes. The reason I like this forum is primarily the fact that you guys think "outside the box" (to use a term in business) but also the fact that you come up with weird and wonderful ways of making more muscle. Everything from ancient potions, through mind control and even in recent years using the latest science (for instance genetic engineering and the like).

absfan131313 · #3 September 26th, 2006, 03:33 PM

First post!

Yeah, I'd agree with what you have to say. Plus, normal bodybuilding sites don't really have sections about muscle growth, and the whole process of transformation is something I'm really into, even if I am straight. Plus, I write a fair amount in my spare time, and this place has tons of stories that I know I'm interested in reading.

mutador · #4 September 26th, 2006, 06:06 PM

I consider myself gay since I don't feel attraction to women and on the contrary prefer other men. But I don't get turned on with the sex bits of the stories... it actually turns me off... I prefer just the muscle growth and strength displays.

my 2 cents

mutador

TheMM · #5 September 27th, 2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by newmus

forgive me if this has already been discussed but, i was wondering, what do you straight guys get out of this site that you don't get out of more mainstream bodybuilding sites? i know some of you get a kick out of the mg stories sans the gay sex bits, but i encounter you guys mainly in the other forums. the only thing i can think of is you can be more comfortable with your level of appreciation for muscle here than someplace else, without being accused of being gay. how close am i?

I'm not straight, I'm not gay, I'm both. I can't build muscle, but I come here because of all the guys who are on the other forums, it is much more open here then there cuz of the thing about being "accused" of being gay.

Mdlftr · #6 September 28th, 2006, 06:27 PM

[Settles back on couch..]

"Well Doctor, I guess you could say that I'm repressed about my body self image, and this is a safe forum to explore my desires to be bigger and stronger without worrying that someone thinks I'm 'weird', or doesn't understand, or just sort of smirks in a very condescending way, and mutters something about "compensating, of course."

On the other hand, it could just be a great site to get inspired for a workout, and get some good training tips!

I don't sweat it....I just enjoy it and move on.......

Mdlftr

Corwin · #7 September 28th, 2006, 07:24 PM

Building on what Mdlftr has said...

Some people have issues of self-image. Bodybuilding, when you are of a certain age (and older), was looked upon with a certain unapproving attitude. Women are objects of beauty, and men are not. Women worry about their bodies and strive to be Barbie -- men don't. So, those of us of that age (and older) may have self-image issues and may seek solice in a website where we can express that.

Personally, I can't help wonder when the issues expressed above also become intertwined with issues of sexuality. As long-time readers here know, I have a low threshold to people who in one post to express the attitude "I'm straight" or "I'm bi, but love women" and then in the same post or one or two more express, "but ain't it great that I'm checking out guys too". Worse yet, when one claims to have "found religion" to supress a natural desire to be attracted to masculine men. But I think I digress...

This is a site about male muscle growth -- the enhancement of a truely masculine feature on a male body. This site is about making a man more of a man -- bigger muscles (hairier, bigger dick, etc...). There is a male homoerotic undertone to the raison d'etre of the site. Whether or not a "straight" guy finds ways to rationalize that, or a "bi" guy chooses to find religion or some other reason to obfuscate his desires, that doesn't change what this site is about.

The world would be a better place if people would accept that.

newmus · #8 September 28th, 2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mdlftr

[Settles back on couch..]

"Well Doctor, I guess you could say that I'm repressed about my body self image, and this is a safe forum to explore my desires to be bigger and stronger without worrying that someone thinks I'm 'weird', or doesn't understand, or just sort of smirks in a very condescending way, and mutters something about "compensating, of course."

On the other hand, it could just be a great site to get inspired for a workout, and get some good training tips!

I don't sweat it....I just enjoy it and move on.......

Mdlftr

but you are weird, and i don't understand, thats why i possed the question.

scott2462 · #9 September 28th, 2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Corwin

Building on what Mdlftr has said...

This is a site about male muscle growth -- the enhancement of a truely masculine feature on a male body. This site is about making a man more of a man -- bigger muscles (hairier, bigger dick, etc...). There is a male homoerotic undertone to the raison d'etre of the site. Whether or not a "straight" guy finds ways to rationalize that, or a "bi" guy chooses to find religion or some other reason to obfuscate his desires, that doesn't change what this site is about.

The world would be a better place if people would accept that.

I think Corwin has hit the nail on the head, here. I think a large percentage of men...no matter what their persuasion...can identify with a desire for "male enhancement" (one way or another) ; pretty much every guy I know wouldn't turn down a chance to be more muscular, to have a bigger dick, etc. There's probably a higher percentage than we might think that recognize the homoerotic undertones. What they do with that recognition of the undertones is based on their belief system..or one that society has imposed on them. They can accept it or, as Corwin says, find a way to rationalize it away. But that doesn't change their basic attraction to a site where men can (and do) grow in reality and in fiction..sometimes to monstrous proportions in the latter.

glammaman2000 · #10 September 28th, 2006, 08:45 PM

...is inherently homosexual; because one is the same sex as oneself. A man whose sense of arousal revolves around; "I'm such a STUD!" while ejaculating in a woman could be said to have a homosexual relationship with himself.He may never have this feeling with a man. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO!...(diff'rent strokes....)

mann007 · #11 September 29th, 2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mutador

I consider myself gay since I don't feel attraction to women and on the contrary prefer other men. But I don't get turned on with the sex bits of the stories... it actually turns me off... I prefer just the muscle growth and strength displays.

my 2 cents

mutador

I'm gay and I don't usually like gay porn. That doesn't make me less gay...

TheMM · #12 September 29th, 2006, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Corwin

Building on what Mdlftr has said...

Some people have issues of self-image. Bodybuilding, when you are of a certain age (and older), was looked upon with a certain unapproving attitude. Women are objects of beauty, and men are not. Women worry about their bodies and strive to be Barbie -- men don't. So, those of us of that age (and older) may have self-image issues and may seek solice in a website where we can express that.

Personally, I can't help wonder when the issues expressed above also become intertwined with issues of sexuality. As long-time readers here know, I have a low threshold to people who in one post to express the attitude "I'm straight" or "I'm bi, but love women" and then in the same post or one or two more express, "but ain't it great that I'm checking out guys too". Worse yet, when one claims to have "found religion" to supress a natural desire to be attracted to masculine men. But I think I digress...

This is a site about male muscle growth -- the enhancement of a truely masculine feature on a male body. This site is about making a man more of a man -- bigger muscles (hairier, bigger dick, etc...). There is a male homoerotic undertone to the raison d'etre of the site. Whether or not a "straight" guy finds ways to rationalize that, or a "bi" guy chooses to find religion or some other reason to obfuscate his desires, that doesn't change what this site is about.

The world would be a better place if people would accept that.

I completely agree with you Corwin, I mean although the world in general says that being hugely muscled is a bad thing, yet there's so many instances on tv and film that specifically show muscle growth and yet no one ever complains about that. Truthfully, I wonder how gay the world really might be, and if they know they won't say so.

My muscled 2 cents.

Corwin · #13 September 29th, 2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by glammaman2000

narcisism ...is inherently homosexual;

I think I would say it is monosexual -- understanding that you yourself are a sexual and attractive creature. I once told a friend that as someone who is Jewish -- "we're a sexually repressed people." He thought of the Jewish people he knew and agreed. All kidding aside, unless a person is the type of person he/she finds attractive, there is some issue to be overcome. "i'm too fat", "i'm not muscular enough", "i have a big nose", etc... are common complaints most people have. Narcisism is overcoming these issues and realizing "i look good".

glammaman2000 · #14 September 29th, 2006, 08:24 PM

...but for an experience I had in the gym I managed for a while. We had 3 shower stalls. One guy was griping about how we didn't have enough. I pointed out that 2 were open at that time. He said he only wanted to shower in the stall in front of the mirror. With the curtain open. He was singularly unattractive. Narcissism isn't about an appreciation of one's own beauty; but a need to be comforted by one's own physical presence; which can acquire an erotic dimension.& we had a lot of straight, mostly big; guys. Their stories of sexual conquests, where the women were either disposable or interchangeable made it clear that they were getting off on their own male SELVES; whether they realised it or not. IMHO.

jukeboxxx# · #15 September 30th, 2006, 11:58 PM

I am hetero by the way.

I think we enjoy the transformation more than anything else. In my teens I used to be a nerd and I got off on playboy magazines as much as I got off on old hulk trnasformation cartoons my uncle gave me. I also got off on the dark phoenix (x-men) tf. All through the years I have enjoyed werewolf movies also.

Because of the Hulk cartoon I often asked myself if I was gay. It scared me, my father being quite the oppressive and gay hating type.

It took me a couple of year to actually find out why the Hulk turned me on. Because it's a normal guy unleashing a bestial instinct, just like werewolves.

I'm quite the good guy, always helping others and caring about everything and everyone. Sometimes I just wish I could be like that, have no sexual boundaries, no thinking back on the actions I do, being good or bad.

Also, I used to be fat, not a lot, but had 36' size pants. Now I wear 32' and packed on muscle (been going at the gym for nearly a year now). I am more confident, more selfish but still not nearly as much as a typical macho guy.

I have to admit that with time, I learned to stop resenting but actually enjoy the sex events of the stories. I felt no one better than another man could better understand what it is I feel like. The need for power, bestial sex, physical perfection. So what I still can't and will never be able to do is to consider another man as a 'boyfriend', I might consider a sex relation in the future, but it would need to be in a special set of circumstances.

So basically, it's going from nerd to irresistible bitch (to anyone, girl or guy) that is interresting, and somewhere along the way, it helped me be more at ease with my sexuality and it also provided be a chance not to resent gay men, unlike my father taught me.

That's very similar to why cheasy romance movies work so well with women or stuff like "A princess' diary". They fantasize on something like that happening to them, being somewhat unsatisfied with their relation, they dream of more continuously because they know it's fiction and it won't happen, or at least it won't be that perfect.

Corwin · #16 October 1st, 2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jukeboxxx#

I am hetero by the way.

I think you mean, "I identify as heterosexual."

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Originally Posted by jukeboxxx#

... In my teens I used to be a nerd and I got off on playboy magazines as much as I got off on old hulk trnasformation cartoons my uncle gave me.
...
Because of the Hulk cartoon I often asked myself if I was gay. It scared me, my father being quite the oppressive and gay hating type.

Many parents teach their children to hate LGBT people. It causes lots of emotional damage later in life to those children who happen to be LGBT. It also perpetuates an anti-gay sentiment to the next generation that is reflected in our society and our laws.

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Originally Posted by jukeboxxx#

... Sometimes I just wish I could be like that, have no sexual boundaries, no thinking back on the actions I do, being good or bad....
I have to admit that with time, I learned to stop resenting but actually enjoy the sex events of the stories. I felt no one better than another man could better understand what it is I feel like. The need for power, bestial sex, physical perfection. So what I still can't and will never be able to do is to consider another man as a 'boyfriend', I might consider a sex relation in the future, but it would need to be in a special set of circumstances....

Being gay or lesbian or bisexual is not just about sex. It is about the romantic and emotionally meaningful relationships people form. Labels like "heterosexual", "homosexual", "bisexual", "gay", etc serve as boxes to categorize people. Sex is nerve ending stuff. Lots of closeted gay men can have sex with women, yet find it emotionally unsatisfying, or at least, not as emotionally satisfying as having sex with a man.

I would suggest that you not worry about the labels and instead explore any avenue that will make you a whole complete person, regardless of where that journey takes you.

jukeboxxx# · #17 October 2nd, 2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Corwin

I think you mean, "I identify as heterosexual."

Being gay or lesbian or bisexual is not just about sex. It is about the romantic and emotionally meaningful relationships people form. Labels like "heterosexual", "homosexual", "bisexual", "gay", etc serve as boxes to categorize people. Sex is nerve ending stuff. Lots of closeted gay men can have sex with women, yet find it emotionally unsatisfying, or at least, not as emotionally satisfying as having sex with a man.

See, this is exactly why I call myself heterosexual. I can look at a man to be physically interressting if he is well built, but never have I felt any romantic emotions for a man, and I did try to. It would definitely be emotionally unsatisfied, as you say. I'm not scared of it, it's just not in me.

Even in my subconscious, as I've been alone for a few months now, I dream about girls all the time, never about men.

glammaman2000 · #18 October 3rd, 2006, 05:51 PM

...I'm gay, & for the LONGEST time my only sexual dreams were about women.

Corwin · #19 October 3rd, 2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by glammaman2000

...I'm gay, & for the LONGEST time my only sexual dreams were about women.

I've gone one further -- I've had sex with women. Hot, sweaty, orgasm-inducing humpa-humpa-burn'n love sex (well, for them anyway).

Three concepts -- sexual orientation, gender identity and sexual orientation identity. Trying to understand them is a mind-fuck, especially when one or more is out-of-society's-norm (e.g. the male-to-female transgender lesbian). Sex is just nerve-endings and human physical response.

The key to understanding who a person is is for that person to explore and not worry about labels or what anybody else thinks. I'd also add avoid most churches cause they only fuck things up more. And Republicans. They did nothing for Mark Foley and look where he is now.

/\/\usclekid · October 3rd, 2006, 07:57 PM

I think straight guys fantasize about being powerful and appreciated the way they can't in real life.

"the only thing i can think of is you can be more comfortable with your level of appreciation for muscle here than someplace else, without being accused of being gay."

Let's not get into what people are and just have a nice debate about the subject.

glammaman2000 · #21 October 3rd, 2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Corwin

I've gone one further -- I've had sex with women. Hot, sweaty, orgasm-inducing humpa-humpa-burn'n love sex (well, for them anyway).

Three concepts -- sexual orientation, gender identity and sexual orientation identity. Trying to understand them is a mind-fuck, especially when one or more is out-of-society's-norm (e.g. the male-to-female transgender lesbian). Sex is just nerve-endings and human physical response.

The key to understanding who a person is is for that person to explore and not worry about labels or what anybody else thinks. I'd also add avoid most churches cause they only fuck things up more. And Republicans. They did nothing for Mark Foley and look where he is now.

...I've had sex with women more than a few times myself. That's why I'm so sure I'm GAY! ...& as for "appreciation" ! That's the main reason "straight" guys go gay!

agreatguy6 · #22 October 15th, 2006, 08:51 PM

I really don't care if I'm one way or the other, all that matters is that I am something!
I get my kicks out of this place because although I'm pretty sure I'm not gay, the artwork here is still very erotically (spelling????) impressive.

Ogun · #23 October 15th, 2006, 10:49 PM

I think Corwin makes a good point in his posts- the most important thing is to be happy with oneself. So often we look for outside things to do this for us- in some ways this may be why we are here- but we have to be satisfied with ourselves and who we are. That may include labels for some, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing., In fact I' e read than a lot of the younger people of alternative sexuality don't identify themselves by sexual labels (Gay, etc) but consider their sexual identity to be only part of a larger whole that makes them who they are. That's as it should be.