Doctor Who-dybuilder

[Yachirobi]

Many of you know that the long running TV show Doctor Who is about to cast it's 12th Doctor. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, read this,

watch this

.) Many people are hoping, even expecting, that the new Doctor will be black. Some are hoping for the Doctor to become a woman. The Doctor himself just hopes he'll be ginger.

And what do we want? We want the new Doctor to have MUSCLE.

So which bodybuilders or muscular actors would make a good Doctor? And how hot would that transformation scene be when he busts out of Doctor 11's clothes?

[Ogun]

Wait, regenerating already? Huh. Many people think Matt Smith is quite hunky already.. and I suggest going for a muscle model at the most- if the Doctor's too musclebound he'll never be able to escape the Daleks. That being said I thin there are plenty of possible sexy people for the job, including some gingers (heck I'd love a stab at the role myself :P). And in all honestly I wouldn't really mind if the 12th WAS a woman, as long as she was capable and sexy and surprising. I mean, why have it all one way?.

[tekuno]

Originally Posted by Ogun

if the Doctor's too musclebound he'll never be able to escape the Daleks.

Eh, just make him so strong he can knock them over. Stairs no obstacle? How about a punch that sends 'em end-over-end, stair-climbing rockets flailing in circles? Who needs a sonic screwdriver if you can put such a dent in your enemies that the circuits underneath get damaged? And he would necessarily not just be cast as a muscular idiot, as bodybuilders so often are.

...on the other hand, that would almost certainly end up being cancelled and then erased from canon somehow. It's a mistake to assume that other people share our tastes.

[Ogun]

Originally Posted by tekuno

Eh, just make him so strong he can knock them over. Stairs no obstacle? How about a punch that sends 'em end-over-end, stair-climbing rockets flailing in circles? Who needs a sonic screwdriver if you can put such a dent in your enemies that the circuits underneath get damaged? And he would necessarily not just be cast as a muscular idiot, as bodybuilders so often are.

...on the other hand, that would almost certainly end up being cancelled and then erased from canon somehow. It's a mistake to assume that other people share our tastes.

Strong's not a problem, but at least one of the points of the Doctor is that he often wins against his enemies by using his wits. In a way that's kind of the point. Many heroes on television win because of superpowers and the like- things we can only aspire to. But even the weakest of us can use our minds to solve problems and outwit our foes. Let's just say that I'd rather he be closer to Theseus than Hercules- not mere strength but wisdom as well.

[tekuno]

Originally Posted by Ogun

Strong's not a problem, but at least one of the points of the Doctor is that he often wins against his enemies by using his wits. In a way that's kind of the point. Many heroes on television win because of superpowers and the like- things we can only aspire to. But even the weakest of us can use our minds to solve problems and outwit our foes. Let's just say that I'd rather he be closer to Theseus than Hercules- not mere strength but wisdom as well.

Considering that the Doctor has, at different points in the canon, had diametrically opposed stated goals (for example, at several points he has had the opportunity to destroy the Daleks completely and has deliberately avoided doing so, but in later parts of the franchise suddenly that seems like a good idea to him without any sort of explanation of why it was bad earlier but would be okay now if only he could do it) (of course, that's a problem shared by the god of the Christian bible, only in chronological reverse, so obviously a lot of people aren't bothered by it), I don't think it's "wisdom" exactly. (Then again, I must admit that the entire TV part of Doctor Who is, in a way, almost driven by obstacles rather than plot or characters: writers who don't seem to think the consequences of things through very well given that Doctor Who is a franchise while will probably continue beyond the heat death of the universe, a famously tight budget, actors who can't or don't want to come back for later parts...)

(In fact, that thought just made the whole thing a lot more enjoyable -- instead of viewing Doctor Who as an actual show, look at it as a kind of Sci-Fi Whose Line Is It Anyway, and there's a whole extra dimension of enjoyment to be had from it.)

[CelticMuscle]

allow me to explain what regeneration is (with quotes). Rengeration is:

My dear child, stop worrying. Try to understand. Regeneration in my case is a swift but volcanic experience. A kind of violent biological eruption in which the body cells are displaced, changed, renewed and rearranged.

(The Sixth Doctor, The Twin Dilemma)

Therefore the Doctor uses his base cells that he was born with. In order to regenerate into a bodybuilder type, he would have to have an infusion of new material in order to do so. That is not to say though that it would be impossible (as demonstrated when Mels regenerated into River Song)

Mels regenerates into River Song

(I think though that a change of skin colour can be put down to Melody being "a child of the TARDIS"). That's not to say that the Doctor could never regenerate into a bodybuilder type (in fact it was an idea I put forward in the millennium) when I had the Doctor leading a UNIT drugs bust on a international steroid smuggling operation ahead of the Sydney Olympics. The Doctor is shot during the raid and falls into a silo full of human growth hormone. As he regenerates the hormone seeps into him and he ends up as a musclebound hero. That's the how it may happens, as to the who should play him, that I will leave to everyone else.

[cohzaku]

I was thinking that Mel's regeneration was relatable to Romana's ability to choose what she looked like. Mel's meets a nice black man and seems to connect or want to connect with him. While it's more subconscious (Her being too little and not having the proper training), There was probably something in her that inspired the skin-colour change.

As that inspiration wasn't their while regenerating to River, she reverted back to her genetic skin colouration.


As for the idea of the Doctor regenerating more muscular...I see it as being a definite possibility myself. Were his base cells the ONLY thing used, his hair wouldn't grow/shorten/change colour, his facial sctructure would have been more similar to the original, etc.

A good example is in "The Doctor's Daughter" Jenny is basically a clone of the Doctor, with some bits randomised. The randomising leads to a blonde female. (Of course, without details to how the machine works, it could be possible it has it's own DNA it blends with the donations.

As regeneration does bring about cosmetic changes, I don't see any reason enhanced muscularity couldn't occur.

Can you tell I like this show?

[Ogun]

but realize that as each each new doctor arrives, each old doctor dies...
Tenth ""'I don't want to go..."
I'm going to miss the wackiness of the 11th when he goes...

[cohzaku]

Ten was mentally ill. His characterisation is NOT the Doctor. He was pretending to be human as a coping mechanism in response to the Time War and then losing Rose who he thought he loved. As he lost more and more his mental delusions became too much.

Keep in mind, Ten himself was the one saying "I just changed my looks. I'm still the same."

Until that disgusting line was uttered, the Doctor has always been the same person, with a different face and some quirks of his personality brought more to the forefront.

[MuscleAsh]

I wouldn't mind a more toned or fit Doctor, but a bodybuilder is too excessive, IMO.

I think Patrick Jane (from The Mentalist) would be an excellent Doctor, as would Stanley Tucci (Easy A, Captain America, The Hunger Games, etc).

[Yachirobi]

*sigh* You guys are no fun.

Or, rather, you all need to get your minds in the gutter. I don't really care whether or not it's feasible for the Doctor to get big. It's science-fiction. Believe it or not, the "science" part is debatable, especially in Doctor Who.

Now, with that said, my bodybuilder idea is one I got from someone else so, if he cares to comment, I'll let him drop that science.

However, here's my very-muscular-Brit-who-isn't-quite-a-household-name entry: Scott Adkins
http://ia.media-imdb.com/../indexes/images/M/MV...0,214,314_.jpghttp://ngoisao.net/Files/Subject/3b/9d/ee/02/4.jpgHe'd be the first Doctor with a topless costume!

[cg12345]

I'm not sure if a nutty, Doctor-ish personality in the body of a huge jacked bodybuilder would be utterly hilarious, insanely hot, or both.

Don't know too many UK bodybuilders, but I was always a fan of Mr. James "Flex" Lewis. If we're going for more of the hunky fitness model type, there's sexy Scot Paul Telfer..

[Curiosity]

Originally Posted by cg12345

...sexy scot paul telfer..

HIM. He should be in EVERYTHING.

[JeffXeno]

Originally Posted by Curiosity

HIM. He should be in EVERYTHING.

I could go for Paul Telfer as the 12th Doctor.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/../indexes/images/M/MV...242_SY274_.jpg

[Yachirobi]

Originally Posted by cg12345

I'm not sure if a nutty, Doctor-ish personality in the body of a huge jacked bodybuilder would be utterly hilarious, insanely hot, or both.

Don't know too many UK bodybuilders, but I was always a fan of Mr. James "Flex" Lewis. If we're going for more of the hunky fitness model type, there's sexy Scot Paul Telfer..

Yes and yes!

[Otaru_grower]

I would nominate Jack Davenport. He played Norrington in POTC and has been in a ton of stuff. He's pretty fit.

Also, the new Superman, Henry Cavill, is British. I believe he would be way too good looking and distracting but who cares?

[ForgeAus]

Personally as much as I like the idea of a Bodybuilder Doctor, I prefer the bodybuilder companion, there's been a few support cast that have been strong guys, from Pex (Paradise Towers 7th doc with Mel, as in before Ace) to a guy in Evil of the Daleks called Kemel (who I've only read about) ... they could bring in a fresh new muscleguy as a companion instead of the Doctor himself.

All that being said, if it is the Doctor himself, its fun to think of the role being a muscleguy who (for a change) isn't portrayed as dumb as an Ox... people would generally underestimate his mental capacity in a huge body, wouldn't they?

[bigbearny]

Originally Posted by cohzaku

Ten was mentally ill. His characterisation is NOT the Doctor. He was pretending to be human as a coping mechanism in response to the Time War and then losing Rose who he thought he loved. As he lost more and more his mental delusions became too much.

Keep in mind, Ten himself was the one saying "I just changed my looks. I'm still the same."

Until that disgusting line was uttered, the Doctor has always been the same person, with a different face and some quirks of his personality brought more to the forefront.

I thought it was the 9th, Eccleson, that was coping with the time war in a kind of shock/denial type thing.. it's what threw me off watching him play the doctor and i didn't find out until much later that was supposed to be the point in his timeline where he had just sealed the Time Lords and the Daleks away at the end of the time war... made it more understandable and why he needed Martha and Donna as companions since they seemed to pull him back to a better place mentally.. look what happened in the Waters of Mars when he was by himself.. he went full megalomaniac Time Lord without a companion to reel him in.

At least that was my take on the 9th and 10th doctors

[cohzaku]

Well, as I've seen it, 9 still acts like the Doctor, but 10 doesn't really.

9 starts to recover with the help of his companion, but then as he regenerates, etc. He becomes more dependent on her, hence when she leaves he sort of...falls apart, almost killing himself if not for Donna's help. He spends a good amount of time treating Martha as not being that important, and just when things are starting to look up, Rose comes back in the picture (Well, a Rose-ish thing), scars him again and he pretty much plummets lower than even, from Water of Mars to End of Time.

I believe the TARDIS helped during the regeneration so that 11 was more sane and Doctorish.

[bigbearny]

hehe did you really put sane and Doctor in the same sentence? lol

[cg12345]

Speaking of muscular companions, I've been checking out some of the old 7th Doctor novels, and he actually did pick up a gorgeous hunk of 30th-century space cop named Chris Cwej (and his awesome badass partner Roz who should totally be played by Alfre Woodard, but she's not really within the purview of this forum ). Several of the novels make it a point to mention how muscular and powerfully built he is (and at least one or two get him naked and mention what a big boy he is all over... )
Definitely some possibilities there!

[ForgeAus]

Nice cg12345 I was unaware of that guy, only one question, how the heck do you pronounce his surname: cwej? ...

[cg12345]

Lol, I'm gonna say "kwedge". Stupid space names.