Story Criticisms

[beeflover2001]

While this may be true if we're writing literature, it doesn't apply here. We're writing muscle porn, basically. It's not about the standards of literature, it's about hardening your cock. Those of us who like muscle growth stories for erotic reasons just want more and more, not intellectually considered plotlines and prose that leads to a satisfying ending. For those of us who are jerking to this, there's no such thing as a satisfying ending. We want MORE!

This is from a while ago...while I agree that porn is not literature, there's no reason why porn can't be well-written and literate.

I wrote a few muscle growth/super strength stories several years ago, and as I'm an editor and writer by trade, I always strove to make sure my stories were as error-free as possible while also bringing on the bone. Nothing distracts me more from a story that is supposed to get my rocks off than one I can't decipher because it is so poorly written. Nifty.org is great for stories that are often one step up from illiteracy.

There are some muscle growth/super strength authors I really enjoy precisely because their stories are so well-written: great descriptions of the musclemen, muscle growth and/or super strength, the effect those things have on the other characters; the passion of these authors clearly comes through, and they satisfy both my brain and my bone.

[bubu447]

Good Thank Fro you SoMuch info!

[nnnrg]

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that porn is not literature. Some of the best literature is porn.

I also think that any feedback can be useful, even feedback that doesn't seem to be positive in any way. Remember, a story is not your soul, your child, nor your honor. If someone is moved enough to comment, then it's a good thing to find out how and why, and use that. (And if they're simply a jerk moved to be a jerk, then feel free to tell them to bugger off.)

So yeah, criticism or feedback, even of porn, can improve things greatly if you use it.
On the other hand the last comment (#43 from esguerra27) is just spam.

[musclerodriguez]

[COLOR=gray]Thank you for posting this message. My personal choice is to use criticism as a last resort. I love the variety of stories on this site. Sometimes I am in the mood to read a well written story. But surprisingly some of my favorite stories are the amateur ones that are riddled with errors. The story itself is what?s more important to me, the visual ride it takes me on, not whether proper grammar or spelling was used. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=gray]I'm surprised at several of the comments I?ve found on this site. Sometimes it makes me want to amend freedom of speech. I love to hear other people?s opinions, but only if it benefits the experience of everyone in a positive way. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=gray]There is no reason for anyone to use a forum like this one to vent hostility and hatred. I agree that should be left at the front door. All its doing is forcing good writers and readers to leave. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=gray]Muscl4life is right to include readers in this topic as well. I have been a member for many years but almost never participate because of the criticisms and verbal attacks I've seen others go through. God help you if you dare to post anything! [/COLOR][COLOR=gray]The moment you do every A**hole thinks you and everyone else wants to hear their unnecessary comments. Nothing ruins a good story for me like a bunch of negative opinions after it.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=gray]I wish everyone understood this. Life would be more enjoyable on other sites as well such as YouTube for example. There I don?t allow comments on my videos from strangers for the very same reason. I?m not a sensitive guy, [/COLOR][COLOR=gray][COLOR=#000000][COLOR=gray]I just don?t care for rude individuals who enjoy leaving trashy comments.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]
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[COLOR=gray]Again, thumbs up mattbarradell![/COLOR]

[mimolover]

It just occured to me that there are not many formal ratings or an in depth critique system on this site. not even a score out of 10 like on Amazon books with a short essay as to why or why not someone liked it. It may be an idea for the administrators to set up something like that eventually. Althrough there is a small one up in the right hand corner to "rate a thread" This just dosnt seem to get used often.

While we are on the topic; what is the criterea and who dishes it out for entry into the male muscle growth showcase?

[Ender]

Rating and content tags have been suggested but has never been that much interest from the majority of the membership that remains forever silent.

I have found that in general the only objections to comments about stories is from people that haven't posted stories that object to someone making a suggestion or observation they don't agree with... most authors get a kick out someone reading their work and thinking about it as more than something to jack off to...

While hearing that someone likes something you wrote feels good most authors would like to know what you liked about their story, what you didn't like and why.

It has been a while since I last posted a story here, but I have posted more stories than the majority of group members... So I feel I have earned a right to express my opinion here... And I do.... I have never exprssed any hostility too any one that dodn't attack me first...

Sorry for starting to ramble guys...

Ender

[jman250]

I was having a conversation with another member the other day about the lack of response to many stories. I can narrowly (and yes, this is a very narrow view) limit readers into three categories:

1) Readers who dislike a story but are afraid to post constructive criticism
2) Readers who have nothing constructive to say (that may or may not say it anyhow)
2) Readers who liked the story a lot, but can't comment due to sticky fingers

Of course there are other groups, but I feel we've created an environment where most criticism gets shot down immediately as being too harsh. There are definitely those who say things like "It sucked. I don't like your theme," and those posts are pointless, but I do think we've scared many readers into not wanting to give a detailed reply.

[jman250]

(This is a different thought, so it goes in a different post!)

I've seen many forums have a "Thank you!" button. It doesn't take up an entire post and the "Thank you!"s show up in a special section below the first post.

Maybe we can use something like that?

[Peter 2636]

My biggest criticism of people who post stories here is with the spelling errors.

A very recent post on this forum had over fifty spelling errors in the first part of the three part story. I do proof reading as a favor to a writer friend (that doesn't post on the forum, she self publishes) and I can catch 90% of the errors by doing a simple spell check.

I realize that people want their story posted quickly but nobody should be in that much of a hurry to post when their work is nothing more than a rough draft. I realize that everyone makes errors that are missed but minor errors can be overlooked and corrected discreetly. But fifty errors in a two and a half page story is excessive. I also realize that there are people that post whose first language is not English. I would never try to write a story in Spanish without having a native speaker proof reading and making corrections.

[Ender]

FWTW When I write my brain runs at a much higher data rate then my fingers and many words and phrases get lost or garbbled in the process. I need to put what I write away for a few days so I don't specificly remember what was in my mind when I wroteWhat I'm trying to proof read it or I will think I'm reading what I meant to write... Having near total recall is more of a curse, most of the time, than a blessing, trust me on this.

Also I quickly learned I needed to write at least two chapters ahead to avoid contenuity problem... When you're writing in a universe that allows the world to be altered but a wish, it's easy to fix continuity flubs... That was the reason for several of Tony's wishes that altered the present retroactively in "A Deal's a Deal." Maybe no one else would have noticed but I did.

[howardbeatman]

Originally Posted by Peter 2636

My biggest criticism of people who post stories here is with the spelling errors.

A very recent post on this forum had over fifty spelling errors in the first part of the three part story. I do proof reading as a favor to a writer friend (that doesn't post on the forum, she self publishes) and I can catch 90% of the errors by doing a simple spell check.

I realize that people want their story posted quickly but nobody should be in that much of a hurry to post when their work is nothing more than a rough draft. I realize that everyone makes errors that are missed but minor errors can be overlooked and corrected discreetly. But fifty errors in a two and a half page story is excessive. I also realize that there are people that post whose first language is not English. I would never try to write a story in Spanish without having a native speaker proof reading and making corrections.

I wholeheartedly agree! Many posts have multiple spelling errors. Writers, use spell-check! It takes about five seconds; correcting misspelled words is NOT a criticism of your creativity or ability. And please proofread your story before posting - slowly & carefully - to make sure that you have written what you want to have written. Would you enjoy music with a lot of false notes?

[AuraTwilight]

That has to be the most incoherent spambot ever.

[nypup2train]

Originally Posted by howardbeatman

I wholeheartedly agree! Many posts have multiple spelling errors. Writers, use spell-check!

Meh. I'm not convinced it's that simple.

In my estimation, a very, very small percentage of stories are posted containing simple spelling errors. The few that do stand out if you're attuned to such errors... believe me, I know! But in the grand scheme of things it's a fairly small number of stories from an even smaller percentage of authors who clearly just don't spellcheck.

Far more common are stories posted with errors that spellcheck wouldn't catch, where the typo or thinko results in a valid word being used in place of another. Those stories clearly have been run through spellcheck, but still contain (sometimes, are riddled with) errors that could only be caught by human proofreading. IOW, common grammar mistakes like using the wrong their/they're/there, it's/its, affect/effect (I admit, that one's tricky!), or your/you're; or word-spelling switches in the manner of lose/loose or dessert/desert; or a writer who tries to spell "definitely" and ends up with "defiantly" (spell check may even be partly to blame, there, if it started as something like "definatly"). Spellcheck is absolutely no help in any of those circumstances.

Originally Posted by howardbeatman

Would you enjoy music with a lot of false notes?

I encounter, all the time, people riding the subway (late at night, when the trains are mostly empty and they can get away with it) who entertain themselves on their ride home by listening to music on their cell phone's speakerphone!! Myself, I wouldn't want any music I actually like to ever sound that fucking horrible! It sounds like they're playing a scratched old '45 on a blown-out car stereo, but they seem perfectly fine with it. (I suspect, at least in part, because it doesn't sound much better listening to a 128k MP3 on an iPod through some truly shitty earbuds. As someone who cares about sound quality, let me just take a moment to say: Fuck you, Steve Jobs!)

So, my point is, for lots of people the answer to your question seems to be, "Yes!" I wouldn't, and you wouldn't, so we're of one mind on this. But I've come to realize that not everyone has the same sensibilities I do about sound... or writing... quality. And it's hard to argue that either side is more right or wrong than the other.

Originally Posted by howardbeatman

It takes about five seconds; correcting misspelled words is NOT a criticism of your creativity or ability. And please proofread your story before posting - slowly & carefully - to make sure that you have written what you want to have written.

There are some authors here who can't be bothered. They have no interest in preparing finely-crafted prose for submission here, and have very emphatically stated as much. "I didn't feel like proofreading, I just wanted to get it out" and "It's not literature, it's just wank material" are two counter-arguments that've been made more than a few times in response to the calls for higher standards of writing quality on the forums. Some people also write their stories directly in the post interface, and are afraid of losing their work if they don't just get it submitted as quickly as possible. (A valid concern! Writing in a browser field is like playing with dynamite, although tools like Lazarus can provide an invaluable safety net.)

So, yaknow, I can understand both sides. It might bother me to stumble across a typo, but if it doesn't bother the author, who's contributing to the site out of his own generosity and is under no obligation to cater to my hangups, then I probably have to just suck it up and deal. I'm not great at that, yet, but I'm trying to get better.

I also try to advocate, as much as possible, the idea that authors don't have to think of their posts here as immutable objects, carved in stone. Anyone with the ability to post here also has the ability to edit their posts at any time in the future. So, if you went back and fixed some things later, update the post! If there's an error you notice, or if someone points out or asks a question that leads you to notice some mistake, go ahead and fix it! I definitely can appreciate the desire to get something posted and visible to others as quickly as possible. What I don't understand is why so many authors act like they never want to look at their own work again for the rest of their lives.

Me, I proofread everything. I've looked over and edited sections of this reply five or six times already. Then again, it's also turning into War & Peace, so it's certainly prudent to do so. But, see, I tend to have a lot of free time, and tend to overdo things. I've been writing this single post for over half an hour already. Other people are far busier than I am (and I should probably be equally busy) so they don't have the time or energy to devote to making everything "perfect". And I, for one, appreciate their contributions (or even their "contrabutions") all the same!

[nzbodybuilder]

My small criticism is stories on here that focus just on worship. Fair enough, muscle growth is usually (if not always) followed by some sort of worship, whether it be the grower jerking off to his new physique, or another player having a feel.

Ok, some writers have multi part stories in mind, and usually post with "no growth here, but it is to come" That's fine.

I guess I feel, well, cheated, after reading a story that just has one big guy getting worshipped by another big (or small) guy, and that's that. Where was the growth? How did the big guy get big? Was it a magic potion, or years of ball busting training at the gym?

I will point out the obvious that this is a Male Muscle Growth site, however it seems to be becomming more like the growth part is missing. And it does say "Post Your Muscle Growth Stories!".

Hats off to the writers who take their time to write stories and submit them. I have written several in the distant past, so I know how much effort and time it can take to put fingers to keyboard and type. And if worshipping does it for you, then good stuff! But since you've taken the effort to type up a story, surely a few more paragraphs of growth couldn't be that hard?

Maybe a seperate thread could be set up for worship only stories?

[Kijin]

Yeah, I noticed that a lot with RCC's stories. I mean, the stuff is pretty well written, but I don't see the point of it being posted here in a muscle growth forum when the whole thing is just two guys who touch each other and cum.

A separate forum for stories like that would do well, but that kind of goes against the whole point of this site just to cater for a different niche ...

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by lead guitarist

We're writing muscle porn, basically. It's not about the standards of literature, it's about hardening your cock. Those of us who like muscle growth stories for erotic reasons just want more and more, not intellectually considered plotlines and prose that leads to a satisfying ending. For those of us who are jerking to this, there's no such thing as a satisfying ending. We want MORE!

We're not here for wit. We're here to get our rocks off.

You sound like a student of creative writing in college. You're right, in that context. But here, we're not looking for finely-written fiction; we want wank-fantasies. It's not the same thing!

I absolutely love this post. Straight to the point (at least for me).

[tattcub]

Originally Posted by Onyx

I absolutely love this post. Straight to the point (at least for me).

Same for me Onyx...




TC

[Hanugumo]

I dunno if I should post this here, nor have I actually read other people's comments & replies in this thread and I appologize for that. But:

All these stories here on the forum are wonderful, but why are there so many story-series that are unfinished? Many writers have started a story-series but either after just 1 chapter/part they stopped with it and immedeatly moved onto the next, even though it could have been a beautiful series. <=0

[sergel02]

^ rofl I'm guilty of that. For me, its just that i got tired of one story and had inspiration for another. But i think most people just can't find the time or have other things to do.

Anyway, I kinda wish more people would say something on this site. Like if they liked your story or what they didn't. One story of mine has over 4,000 views but only 11 replies, 5 or 6 of them from me. I think that's one reason i kinda stopped, it didn't think anyone was reading them, or if they were they weren't enjoying them.

I want to write stories I like, but also ones readers enjoy. I need more critiques on mine, since I think they lack in the muscle growth and sex departments, stuff people come here for. Its a delicate balance.

[jman250]

Originally Posted by sergel02

Anyway, I kinda wish more people would say something on this site. Like if they liked your story or what they didn't. One story of mine has over 4,000 views but only 11 replies, 5 or 6 of them from me. I think that's one reason i kinda stopped, it didn't think anyone was reading them, or if they were they weren't enjoying them.

(Emphasis mine)

I think most of the prolific writers on this site (you know, the ones who don't write anymore) have faded away because of this.

Lesson learned? If you like or hate a story, say something.

[curinga]

Originally Posted by sergel02

^ rofl I'm guilty of that. For me, its just that i got tired of one story and had inspiration for another. But i think most people just can't find the time or have other things to do.

Anyway, I kinda wish more people would say something on this site. Like if they liked your story or what they didn't. One story of mine has over 4,000 views but only 11 replies, 5 or 6 of them from me. I think that's one reason i kinda stopped, it didn't think anyone was reading them, or if they were they weren't enjoying them.

I want to write stories I like, but also ones readers enjoy. I need more critiques on mine, since I think they lack in the muscle growth and sex departments, stuff people come here for. Its a delicate balance.

Yeah!! I also agree with that! It realy feels great when you see that people enjoy your story!

[Rarity]

Originally Posted by sergel02

Anyway, I kinda wish more people would say something on this site. Like if they liked your story or what they didn't. One story of mine has over 4,000 views but only 11 replies, 5 or 6 of them from me. I think that's one reason i kinda stopped, it didn't think anyone was reading them, or if they were they weren't enjoying them.

I think the views would speak for themselves, but only by so much. Like you said, it would be nice if people said something, since an author can't get any motivation from making a story then having no comments - nor can they get better at writing if people don't say things. Then again, many people are afraid to post for criticizing purposes because others jump down the criticizer's throat. So I do not blame them at all. There are also a lot of would-be-authors who are too afraid to post stories for whatever reason. Just go for it, you don't go anywhere without trying, and hey, even if your story is weird. . . TRUST ME, there's some people who are gonna like it anyway.

As for authors quitting, I can see if a story gets boring; you're writing for fun, it's not a chore or work. As for authors quitting midstory because of what you said (4000 posts, no real replies). . . Uh, quitting because people aren't commenting? I REALLY hope that's not the case. It can be discouraging since you're putting up you're tossing out a line and not reeling anything in to show for it, but it shouldn't be enough to stop you from posting. Eventually you'll get proverbial fish or two.

There are many good reasons to write stories, but doing it for attention is not one of them. Maybe you're writing a story because it's fun. You might just want to pass the time and you decide to write write write. Perhaps you're doing it to put your fantasy into a concrete form, sharin' yo freak wit da rest of us ('cause it's a beautiful thaaaaaang).

On the off chance you are doing it for attention, then, uh, sorry?

TL:DR version~
Think you suck at writing but you have fun writing? Write and post. (Me!)
People hate it? Improve it and don't cry when criticized.
Can't improve without guidance? Ask for help, anyone will do.
Can't ask for help? Then learn English or find a translator.

Are people posting in your story's thread?
Yes - SUCCESS, continue on with your story.
No - Oh well, do you have a lot of views then (500ish)?
Yes - SUCCESS, continue on with your story.
No - WELL FACK, you're missing something! Add some spice to your story(fanservice is fun too).


Helpful tip: You can post stories on Furaffinity or Deviant Art and get some comments more so than here. You might even get a free drawing of your characters if people like the story enough; [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]score![/COLOR] It may be the same 5 or so people, but then again, that's not so different from here.

[MonsterMash62]

For writers that want feedback, I'd suggest asking for it in your story posts. And every one of them.
I've noticed that story posts requesting feedback tend to get more than ones that don't.

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by nzbodybuilder

My small criticism is stories on here that focus just on worship. Fair enough, muscle growth is usually (if not always) followed by some sort of worship, whether it be the grower jerking off to his new physique, or another player having a feel.

Ok, some writers have multi part stories in mind, and usually post with "no growth here, but it is to come" That's fine.

I guess I feel, well, cheated, after reading a story that just has one big guy getting worshipped by another big (or small) guy, and that's that. Where was the growth? How did the big guy get big? Was it a magic potion, or years of ball busting training at the gym?

I will point out the obvious that this is a Male Muscle Growth site, however it seems to be becomming more like the growth part is missing. And it does say "Post Your Muscle Growth Stories!".

Hats off to the writers who take their time to write stories and submit them. I have written several in the distant past, so I know how much effort and time it can take to put fingers to keyboard and type. And if worshipping does it for you, then good stuff! But since you've taken the effort to type up a story, surely a few more paragraphs of growth couldn't be that hard?

Maybe a seperate thread could be set up for worship only stories?

I agree that the Muscle Worship stories without the growth, or showing how the growth occurred aren't what I'm looking for. At the same time,I appreciate how all the details of training can be a yawner added to a story. The exposition can be deadly. Then of course, there's the plot: exercise, muscles grow...and???!!!??

For me, writing a story has to have a "hook" and that is not always apparent or easy to articulate. Some authors on here are truly gifted. They have fully fleshed out, interesting characters with great descriptions and a plot! For others, ....eh...not so much!

All efforts are appreciated, however!

[Holiday]

I would say that I, as a person, and an artist in other media than here, have developed to a level where I can take any level criticism and roll with it. I can take any rational criticism and analyze it, see if it's valid. If it is, I try to fix those problems. If it's not, I can shrug it off.

[Holiday]

Step back, deep breath, and group hug.

[morhedron]

not a criticism, but a query.

why is it that guys who write fantasies about amazons and female muscle growth very often have very more expansive imaginations than guys writing about male muscle growth?

what is meant by that is, 90% of the stories on this site have stories depicting men "growing" to be large fitness model size or heavyweight bodybuilder at most. the stories that describe men of the proportions seen as drawn by N, kaz, and hsmusclboy are very much in the minority. OTOH, it's very frequent for men writing amazon fantasies/female muscle growth to describe their women growing to such proportions.

why is that?

[AuraTwilight]

Probably because those proportions on men aren't attractive to the main target audience, I would surmise. Beyond a superficial level, the amazon/female and male fetish fandoms are pretty different.

[Kijin]

I disagree, actually. I've read nearly every story on the first 20-30 pages in order of views and only a handful involve growth only to model/bodybuilder size. The most common theme is brothers or close friends who outgrow each other, following by domination, random acts of strength and superior libidos.

Luckily, for me, they all appeal to my niche.

I mean, when I wrote part one of my story, which I'm sure I'll never complete, it contained all of those elements: a cocky older sibling, determined younger brother, dominance, height, youth ... by the week following, it had already made it to the front page in order of views, which was INSANE considering there were many stories posted before it that barely broke 2500 views. There is definitely still an audience out there lurking and waiting for stories like the FMG amazon women, but not enough want to write their own and would rather wait for others to release their's.

I think the reason we're not seeing many truly massive muscle growth stories that go beyond a 6' bodybuilding freak is because there's already so much content available in this forum. Actually, I think that I don't write my own story because when I think of everything musclegod300, johnd or muscle4life have written, I find there's no point because it's already been done. Granted, it gets boring reading the same stories over and over again, but you end up forgetting them the more you read into them, which creates this cycle between wanting to create your own and being content with what's already available.

Kaz's depictions of men is definitely what I consider ideal and is what I'd transition my characters towards, albeit with dicks that don't defy anatomy, with my own little touch of macro and light domination. I'm sure many people, like me, who skim the front page, are unsatisfied and just go to the most viewed section. They would all create some amazing stories, but how can you be motivated when it's all been done?

I guess you really, really have to love writing to continue with the themes you want so you're not sidetracked by the other amazing stories.

[Hanugumo]

What does the forum has against macro growth?

Some of the rewritten versions of stories that were stories including macro growth, no longer have the macro growth in them.
Why is that? And what is wrong with macro growth? Do you guys like immobile tiny muscle blobs more, then mobile muscle giants showing off their superior muscle size, strength, power & height to the normal little guys? I always thought most people loved that kind of dominance..

[curinga]

Originally Posted by Hanugumo

What does the forum has against macro growth?

Some of the rewritten versions of stories that were stories including macro growth, no longer have the macro growth in them.
Why is that? And what is wrong with macro growth? Do you guys like immobile tiny muscle blobs more, then mobile muscle giants showing off their superior muscle size, strength, power & height to the normal little guys? I always thought most people loved that kind of dominance..

I'm with the macro lovers!

[johnnnn123]

it is better after joining this site, i have got awesome knowledge from that.

[Ogun]

Originally Posted by curinga

I'm with the macro lovers!

Ibelive ther's stil macro stories on this site. But in the end the writers have to do what they feel is best for their story- in some cases this may involve rewrites to shift emphasis. Also consider checking out Coiled Fist for more macro stuff.
I also don't mind some of the worship-only stories either. I think it's nice that we have a variety of different story types, that we're inclusive rather than exclusive. Yes, maybe not every single story is abut growth per se, but frankly I think holding such a hard line does a disservice to the community.

[Hanugumo]

Originally Posted by Ogun

Ibelive ther's stil macro stories on this site. But in the end the writers have to do what they feel is best for their story- in some cases this may involve rewrites to shift emphasis. Also consider checking out Coiled Fist for more macro stuff.
I also don't mind some of the worship-only stories either. I think it's nice that we have a variety of different story types, that we're inclusive rather than exclusive. Yes, maybe not every single story is abut growth per se, but frankly I think holding such a hard line does a disservice to the community.

I can understand why writers rewrite stories to emphasise different aspects. But how can writers say that they are true to the original writer while the original writer was a person that wrote macro growth stories?
And sure, the worship-only stories are great too, most of the stories here on the forum are. But it just seem that a lot of people here are against macro-muscle-growth. And many rewrites done by writers other then the original ones, show that trend.
But maybe I'm letting it get too me a bit too much, I mean: I dun think that there were many writers here that would have written the macro-muscle-growth kind of writing anyway here. Which is a shame seeing how well it can be combined with other genres.

[nnnrg]

Nearly everybody has fetishes, that is, specific things that they find sexually arousing or fascinating, that may or may not be 'mainstream'. Some fetishes are possible, some are not, in the 'real world'.

On this forum, the focus is on muscle growth in males, with a 'gay' sensibility.

There are a lot of fetishes woven around this focus: unexpectedly fast growth and occasionally "hypermasculinity" in the form of over sized male organs, more body hair, more "dominant" behavior, or some people like cigars and smoking. Lots of people like muscle worship. Some people like smooth hairless bodies. Some people like anal sex, some don't, and some even like heterosexual or bisexual sex, or with more than one person. Leather gear and rubber garb and bondage and sometimes sadism, or masochism, or 'mind control' via hypnosis. Bullying or even being bullied. Some people get off on infantilism - being forced to act like babies in diapers. Some people get off on people being transformed into sex toys of whatever exaggerated form they like.

There are a few fetishes which simply cannot be accomplished in the "real world" right now, because of pesky things like physics, common sense, or "We don't know how."

Macro is one of those things that get into the "physics" side of things and so the macro fetishists aren't going to get to enjoy their fetish in cold hard reality the way that leather or rubber fetishists can. The same goes for furry fandom - and yes, I know that furry is about much more than sex alone, and that a subset of those people who also get attracted by the 'sex' side of it have given the whole fandom a 'perverts' reputation. That's because there will be skeevy people in every public "thing" that you can find. It's like the Rule 34 of Life.

The main reason people don't seem to write much macro here is not that people are AGAINST it, but rather, they're not FOR it. It can't be done as part of a fully-realistic muscle growth story, it tends to quickly kill off a pseudo-realistic science-fantasy or even magic-fantasy muscle growth story, because when you've accidentally crushed everyone you might care about into bloody paste, where to go? Your story ended in one or two chapters, with no possibility for further progress.

And the ones that just ignore the realism entirely tend also to fail the same way, because once you get to be so big that you can't interact with the rest of the people in the world, there's not much story left. Or at least not an interesting one unless it's triggering your fetish.

There are a few who managed to do that anyway, but really, it's rare.
There are a few writers who try to write some form of Macro into their stuff, but if they are writing 'realism' then they have to cope with the consequences in their story or the story becomes shallower. And while there's nothing at all wrong with a good wank fantasy, there's something completely RIGHT with a story which would be interesting and fun even if you left the wank fantasy out. (Not that this should be a mandated goal.)

And you can say "This is true to what the original writer did" when you can ASK the original writer whether they approve of the changes. In ANY case, if the story works the same way without the macro parts? Then yeah, it can be.
If it doesn't work because the loss of the macro parts made it not be a story, then they didn't stay true to the original. REALLY easy to tell.

[schwermarko]

Originally Posted by morhedron

not a criticism, but a query.

why is it that guys who write fantasies about amazons and female muscle growth very often have very more expansive imaginations than guys writing about male muscle growth?

what is meant by that is, 90% of the stories on this site have stories depicting men "growing" to be large fitness model size or heavyweight bodybuilder at most. the stories that describe men of the proportions seen as drawn by N, kaz, and hsmusclboy are very much in the minority. OTOH, it's very frequent for men writing amazon fantasies/female muscle growth to describe their women growing to such proportions.

why is that?

I don't know why the amazon crowd can do this consistantly, but I am pretty sure I know why a lot of people here cannot or do not grow their characters to the same proportion as morphers and artists do-- starting from where a lot of the forum members I have heard from being an SHW pro bodybuilder is a remarkable transformation. I would be curious to find out how many 98# or under members there are, and how many with 35+ % bodyfat. From some of the morph requests I've seen there are a fair few.

Remember for many this is another TF fetish and nothing more, Just like some people get off on a sexual partner or themselves transforming into an ordinary cow, or member of the opposite sex, or inanimate object.

It's one of the reasons I had not felt that people would be interested in my stories because they are much more extreme. If I want to read about having arms 20-24" , a 65" chest and being so thick necked I can't turn my head I am going to look in my training plans, not to fiction, because these are all goals I actually have, and have practical plans to achieve. I see that stuff everyday because I go to a gym where probably a quarter of the guys have 20+ inch arms, because that's were you go to do the same.

I don't necessarily mind a story that only has worship, domination, or demonstration of extreme size and strength, even though I prefer the transformative process, if that size and strength are truly miraculous, I just have to remind myself that what I see and experience on a day to day basis is miraculous to some people. Or at least that's what people tell me in PM's.

[schwermarko]

Originally Posted by Hanugumo

What does the forum has against macro growth?

Some of the rewritten versions of stories that were stories including macro growth, no longer have the macro growth in them.
Why is that? And what is wrong with macro growth? Do you guys like immobile tiny muscle blobs more, then mobile muscle giants showing off their superior muscle size, strength, power & height to the normal little guys? I always thought most people loved that kind of dominance..

For myself I can't stand macro for a simple reason, one of the reasons I'm working to get huge is that I'm short. I also can't stand it when sombody bitches about bodybuilders "Letting themselves" be photographed with their glasses on, because it's not sexy.

And yes, I don't like stories where I can't suspend disbelief enough to think that will happen to me someday.

[Yachirobi]

There's a big difference between the sizes and proportions of cartoon characters and the sizes and proportions of real people. Cartoons, like HSMusclBoy's or those of our beloved KAZ, are simplified and exaggerated. We expect tiny waists and huge chests and can enjoy them that way. But think about those proportions on a real person. Some of you would indeed find such a sight to be sexy but for people like myself, we would find the sight to be grotesque. I think many of you who dream of such proportions would have a rude awakening if you saw such a man in real life.

[an0n12]

Underage stories gross me out and to me border on pedophilia. How is I appropriate to have stories about kids in fucking 9th grade or what have you having sex with adults for example even if they do grow or not?

[schwermarko]

Originally Posted by an0n12

Underage stories gross me out and to me border on pedophilia. How is I appropriate to have stories about kids in fucking 9th grade or what have you having sex with adults for example even if they do grow or not?

A few thoughts there, although I am sticking up for someone else, I just quoted a prior post. I have been into growth since before puberty, so this has been part of my sexuality from square one, and those hsmuscleboy drawings are rather vintage at this point, so I bet a lot of people on the forum were wanking to a 14 year old fucking everything in his path when they were fourteen. And, gasp, some people were actually fucking each other in real life! Oh the horrors!

And I'm not into the wasp waisted thing myself, I don't think it looks right, bodybuilders look that way for a couple if hours in a whole year. Most of the time they have some sort of belly, even if the abs still show. I still find it funny that there are people fantasizing about being magically transformed into someone less impressive looking than the guy I was swapping shoulder rehab tips with last week.