calming down johnson LOL

[pr4muscles]

Anyone else get horned up looking at or being in the pressence of muscular guy? Like one time, I was working at this pizza place... you always have different types of people in there. I was working the cash register and this guy in his late 20's, early 30's.... was big and thick. Had a muscle tee on, pecs portruding out , enormous arms, thick shoulders, and confident as hell. I caught the biggest boner under my clothes and apron I was wearing ... it was pretty bad if you'd actually look down there you could see the outlining of my erected penis LOL. So I was desperately trying to calm down.... LOL

[ethernet_jock]

always a challenge.... definitely...

[brent]

I've had that happen a lot. We get some very hot guys in my store all the time (I think they come from Cali). What I do is I think of beutiful, naked, blond women, with HUGE tits bouncing around. I immediately go limp, and all is well.

Please note: this tip might not work for straight/bi guys.

[ethernet_jock]

Originally Posted by brent

Please note: this tip might not work for straight/bi guys.

dammit!!!!

Try ummmm.... think about mowing the lawn or doing laundry or something..... yeah!

That also seems to work for me for "making it last a bit longer"... if you know what I mean...

[Mdlftr]

Some killers....


....Your 3rd grade Nun from Catholic Elementary school.....

....Bush winning a second term......

...Fat, hairy people sitting next to you and squoozing you into an airplane seat, while they win the halitosis award.....


....cold showers....

.....the thought of your parents 'doing in' / getting jiggy!


UGH!

Mdlftr

[brent]

Well it's good that you straight guys have thought of a few ideas for yourself. Most of those ideas wouldn't work for me, because when I think of mowing the lawn, I think of pushing a heavy machine uphill, and building lots of muscle in the sun. The parents idea wouldn't work, because I grew up with (step) mommy/(step)
daddy doing it. So I wouldn't be affected either way.

[sibuna]

[color=white]Children at your ages you should be getting hard just by looking at the rear end of a neutered dog. It's all very normal. Enjoy it while it lasts.[/color]

[pr4muscles]

Originally Posted by sibuna

[color=white]Children at your ages you should be getting hard just by looking at the rear end of a neutered dog. It's all very normal. Enjoy it while it lasts.[/color]

I respect your insight and no matter what age you are or sexual orientation... one will always have their stories of embarassing moments. That's all I was stating, break the monotony of the threads, and get some people to chuckle. I'm pretty sure you've had your embarassing moments in life. :P

[pr4muscles]

As far as neutered dogs go... No, that comparison doesn't equivocate or compare to a humans sexual drive for another. LOL. What type of figure of speech or analogy is that?

[flexicon1]

Oh, the muscle-induced woodrow. Dude, this is the only reason I found this site: looking for images and stories that got me that feeling. I'm 38 and it still has its grip on me.

A few years ago, I discovered 2 phrases online that refer to a psychological sexual deviation that definitely describe me. I have often thought of starting a thread on the subject, and if anyone has an interest in discussing it furthar, let me know and we'll do it:

Sthenolagnia - sexual arousal from display of muscles.

Cratolagnia - sexual arousal from display of strength.

The terms were coined by a german psychologist, Magnus Hirschfeld, in the late 1800s, and he reported on a patient who was only aroused by flexxing his own biceps, then he would do chin-ups until he came, somewhere between the 20th and 30th repetion, without manual stimulation.

Wow. When I first read that, I realized this has been around for a little while!

I try to stay calm when it happens. I don't bump into a lot of bodybuilders day-to-day, but when I do, I try to just enjoy the situation. I try to take it in without being too troll-like. My instinct is to stare and go feel it and touch myself. None of those reactions is appropriate in a public setting, so I try to collect as much data in my memory, being as subtle as I can, and then use it later, when I am alone, and can use the bottled-up feelings for fantasy material.

Another thing I do when I'm alone, as a kind of self-analysis meditation, is try to extract all the feelings I feel when I see that obscure object of desire, and separate them mentally, and feel them, seperate and alone. I am suprised by all the feelings that are brought up by these bodies: happiness, excitement, fear (of being noticed? beaten up?), horniness, contentment, sadness (for the unobtainable experience), repression (of all this stuff I have to keep bottled up for social propriety), nausea (possibly caused by all this repressed confusion of emotion).

Another facet of the fetish I've identified in me is objectification. The body becomes a focus point, like pornography, which I want to control, i.e.: Pose like this for me. Now flex that. Harder. Turn around. Keep it flexxed! While I am aware that all this makes me sound like a shallow, disturbed bastard, I communicate it in the interest of being honest and sharing, in this more or less supportive environment, my experience with the muscle thing we all share. I know others have their own take on it, and I'd love to hear how it manifests for anyone who cares to share. We can leave it here in this thread, or start a sthenolagnia thread specifically for discussion of muscle-as-fetish-object.

Or, if no one really wants to get too deep, we can stop here, and thanks for letting me share.

Peace.

[omelissokomos]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

A few years ago, I discovered 2 phrases online that refer to a psychological sexual deviation that definitely describe me.

Fascinating... there are actual words for these things.

I'd say to differing degrees, almost everyone on this site are sthenolagniacs and/or cratolagniacs. Personally, I don't think I'd enjoy creaming in my jeans whenever a hot hunk passes my way... maybe.

[glammaman2000]

...sheesh!I always just called it"muscle-hungry"!& it's GREAT!!

[flexicon1]

I guess it's true, this whole board is sort of a testament to Sthenolagnia and Cratolagnia. I guess what I don't see is much analysis of what that is, why we have it, is it something that inhibits or enhances our lives.

It has definitely been a burden for me, though it has brought me moments of great joy and pleasure, too. I know it has been an obstacle to relationships, when I've opted not to pursue them because I know I have no attraction (or at least not enough to make it fun) for non-muscular bodies. On the other hand, I know that a body is not everything about a man. I love a sense of humor, honesty, integrity; I love men who are sweet-natured, independent, handsome, hard-working, good communicators, and generous lovers. All of this is important to me. But if it isn't attatched to muscle, my overall sense is: I won't have the thing that turns me on more than anything.

Of course, that's why I started working out. Well, really, originally to try to attract someone with the kind of body that got my attention. But eventually, I realized I could be that object of desire. (Okay, I'm not going to be any kind of gargantuan, but I've turned myself on flexxing in the mirror before).

And then, another dilemma: I sense my sexuality is incompatible with most guys I find a mutual attraction with. I have yet to find a guy who's biggest turn-on is to flex his biceps over and over in my face while jerking me off (uh... if you're out there, please get in touch). I can enjoy lots of other things in bed, and I'm willing to accomodate some idiosynchrosies for the serious partner. But I'm 38, and of the 5 somewhat serious relationships I've been in, none has been willing to work out with me or indulge my fetish very seriously. I felt lucky on the few occassions I could get them to flex! And even then, I felt guilty over the disconnect. Here the guy was, trying to help me off, but his lack of enthusiasm sure didn't turn me on. And I ended up feeling like the pervert wanting to focus on that muscle as porn.

Any bodybuilders out there just aching to be objectified?

I can't even really get therapists to take this very seriously.

I think that's why I really want this conversation. It's the number one influence in my life (I went so far as to choose a university because of it's proximity to Muscle Beach, which I'd seen pictures of in the Encyclopedia!) and I haven't yet found a co-conspiritor.

Thanks again for this board. I need to get this processed.

[Notbigenuff]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

It has definitely been a burden for me, though it has brought me moments of great joy and pleasure, too...And then, another dilemma: I sense my sexuality is incompatible with most guys I find a mutual attraction with. I have yet to find a guy who's biggest turn-on is to flex his biceps over and over in my face.

I read your comments and feel that they could be my own. I'm always somewhat surprised to find that many men with muscle seem to be reluctant to flex it or admit to liking to flex and otherwise show off. But, I've also noticed that many of these same men will flex and/or check themselves out in a mirror when they think no one is looking - or maybe when they think only the right person is looking? But, you'd think that anyone who spends time building a great body would be more than happy to show it off -- especially in the privacy of the bedroom with someone that they profess to care about.

But, trust me, you are not alone in this by any means. Heck, I've been known to turn myself on by flexing in the mirror too - though it's not my first preference of course

[timberino]

this entire thread really has been a great help. i was just telling someone about this earlier and i found it funny how relieved i was to be able to tell someone about it because i never had. when i was like 13 or so my friend, Matt, and i would sort of compete in terms of how much muscular/strong we could get. i always saw him as the bigger, badder,.... i guess just better one. i used to jack off to this scenario of us as baseball players and i'd be this small, weak or short, fat dude with a small dick that would strike out and he would walk up to the mound this six and a half/ seven foot tall god just rippling with muscles, huge cock outlined and he would win it for the team and i would be let go. when i left the school as i was at and consequently left Matt i really didnt work out as regularly anymore and i always think of how much happier i would've been if i would've kept up the work. at the same time though i just feel a certain amount of... guilt(?)... i guess. at least i did... because he was my best friend. i still feel guilty for objectifying.... unless thats all someone wants to be. i dont know. i got emotional and lost myself. thank you for this though.

[brent]

So it sounds like we've all turned ourselves on by flexing in the mirror, but it sounds like most of the people here do it a lot less than me.
:P
flexicon1,
thank you for giving me actual names for my 'muscle-hunger', and thank you for turning what I thought as a bit of a light & silly thread into a great thread. I would urge you to fall in love with a person, not a body. That way you'll still be in love after the looks fade.

timberino,
if you wish you had continued your workouts after you moved, then why not restart now? I don't think you should feel any guilt at all about thinking of your friend as an object; your thoughts didn't affect him negatively in any way. Guilt won't do anyone any good at all, so it's time to move on. You are ten years younger than me, and should start building the body you want now IMHO.

[flexicon1]

Cool. This is what I'm talking about. People sharing their experiences allows me to identify patterns. Already, I'm noticing an objectification/guilt pattern in at least a few of us. Interesting, ain't it, that muscle isn't the only thing that ties us together?

Anyone interested in untangling this knot any furthar?

By the way, Brent, checking myself out in the mirror is hot, but not as hot as catching another guy checking himself out in a mirror! Another objectification scenario. In this one, I might prefer to remain invisible. But I like it if the guy checking himself out likes the fact that I'm watching and am turned on.

Also: regarding the sthenolagnia/cratolagnia: these terms may be nice to refer to, but remember: they are labels for aspects of our personality that exist whether we have the word for it or not. (Like anything: the map is not the territory.)

[ethernet_jock]

If just to add support... I can definitely identify fully with everything that's been said here so far.... including the guilt scenario about objetifying muscular friends..... particularly at about that same age (12-14 ish).

I'm not sure how deeply I want to expand on my own experiences that reflect these feelings except to say, I'm definitely there with you.

Thank you!

[Mdlftr]

I imagine a lot of us have spent a lot more time looking at ourselves and flexing and seeing when other guys do it, than we want to acknowledge, or even realize!

I think that's why the "Muscle-sighting" thread on this site is soo popular! I have noticed when other guys are flexing and checking themselves out in the mirror. I know from personal experience, when I go into the locker room after a good workout, and I strip off my shirt and flex and check myself out in the mirrors, when no one's in the room, I get majorly turned on by how my workouts are progressing, and I think of myself as becoming a big, bulging muscle hunk-ROAR!

Yes, it's definitely a turn on.

It's also a major embarassment if you get caught doing it!

You'd be amazed how fast you can move to cover yourself up when you hear someone coming around the corner!


Mdlftr

[Marco_ukmus]

Hi guys!

This has become a very interesting thread. Thanks flexicon1 for introduction of a great analytical angle on the thread and the two words Sthenolagnia and Cratolagnia.

Originally Posted by flexicon1

By the way, Brent, checking myself out in the mirror is hot, but not as hot as catching another guy checking himself out in a mirror! Another objectification scenario. In this one, I might prefer to remain invisible. But I like it if the guy checking himself out likes the fact that I'm watching and am turned on.

This is intersting because we all flex right? in the mirror? but now, when I catch people "checking me out" or using the angles of the mirrors in the weight room to "check me out" but by not looking at me directly at the same time, I actually like it! Totally weird! I never thought i'd be like this. Anyway, what i guess im trying to add here is that even straight guys like being checked out, regardless of gender. Whats really funny, is when you catch them doing it and look straight into their eyes, most men look away so quickly its unbelievable, then, its all confirmed by the constant re-focus and adjustments of their eye moments, as they quickly try to find something else to focus on. It's quite funny to watch and experience.

Originally Posted by flexicon1

Any bodybuilders out there just aching to be objectified?

I could make some videos and send them your way... mind you, I don't think im of a good enough size... yet... hehe

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

I know from personal experience, when I go into the locker room after a good workout, and I strip off my shirt and flex and check myself out in the mirrors, when no one's in the room, I get majorly turned on by how my workouts are progressing, and I think of myself as becoming a big, bulging muscle hunk-ROAR!

Hehe, yeah I do this too my body always looks better pumped, but then, who's does'nt. I first make sure no one else is around, then take my shirt off, and stand there flexing in the mirror. Of course whilst i'm doing this, part of me is attentively listening for the opening of any doors, or foot steps coming near. And YES! I have been caught, only once though (thus far) It was soooo embarrassing! I think i was so wrapped up in my flexing and my own world that i let my guard down for a second, as my brain was concentrating on the flexing and pumping of my muscles... The other reason i like flexing there is because of the lighting. It some how makes the cuts even more defined and the muscles look some how bigger... Anyway, thought i just add me "me too" type comment.

Marc
P.S. Brent, sorry the thinking of tits thing did'nt work Infact, come to think of it, it made it MUCH worse...

[paarke]

Originally Posted by Marco_ukmus

. Anyway, what i guess im trying to add here is that even straight guys like being checked out, regardless of gender.

I knew it! The truth is out! lol. If you ever need any assistance in this area, I can probably obllige. I can't really help the straight/bi guys too much, because I tend to find visualizing a pair of tits gets me off the boil rather quickly when I need to.

[glammaman2000]

OK,you amateurs;if you're REALLY going to get into checking yourself out,I can't emphasise enough the importance of finding the"good mirror"!Of course;when I was dancing,the"good mirror"was the"skinny mirror".Now it's the "thick mirror".Ideally,with the light coming down just forward of vertical.Take the time to find it in your gym(every gym has one!)& park yourself there for your free-weight exercises.I guarantee a far more rewarding experience.

[brent]

Originally Posted by Marco_ukmus

...
P.S. Brent, sorry the thinking of tits thing did'nt work Infact, come to think of it, it made it MUCH worse...

Yeah, well I already stated that that piece of advice wasn't intended for the bi/straight crowd.

I've never really found anyone checking me out, but then I don't look for it. Since I enjoy looking at bigger guys, I want it to be easy for smaller guys to check me out, and not get noticed. That might sound egotistical, but whatever.

As for flexing in the mirror, I don't see what the big deal is. Both here in Nevada, and up in Oregon guys flex in the mirrors in the weight room, and the locker room all the time. I do it all the time too. I don't see the big deal. Maybe it's a west coast thing.

[flexicon1]

Well all right, Brent. That is about the sweetest thing I've ever heard. I really love the idea of bodybuilders allowing others to look without the threatening eye-contact.

And Mark - it's not that the eye-contact is unwanted. I ache for it. But it's past experience with the "w*t*f* are YOU lookin' at, poofter?" disdain for confrontation that might make me shift my gaze if I saw you seeing me seeing you. Now, if there were some sort of signal of mutual respect, say, a subtle smile and nod from you, I might accept this as an invitation to get my eyeful. Because this is all tied up with my sexuality, though, I'd probably need some sort of gentle "this is for your eyes only" message, so I don't start imagining we're going home after your workout to get a more up-close muscle worship session, give you a much-deserved full body massage, and, ahem, stuff.

By the way, I'll go ahead and put in my order for your videos: Marko: End Phase 3; Marko: Flexxing 190; and the phenomenal trilogy Marko: 210 LEAN!, Marko: 235 RIPPED; and Marko: 265 SICK!

Back to the mirror stuff: it's interesting that getting caught is so embarrassing, probably because being so narcissistic and self-indulgent is socially quite gross. And yet, if I were in that locker room, and some guy started flexxing for himself in the mirror, if it felt safe I might make myself comfortable and watch. If someone else came in, I'd probably feel as embarrassed as you secret posers to be caught watching the socially gross act I'd just been privately getting off on.

Objectification, narcissism, secret guilty pleasures, getting caught in the act.

Positive Re-frame:

Human emotional depth. Sharing. Honest, open pleasures. Revealing what the world can handle, and creating safe boundaries for what the world doesn't want to deal with.

I identify the Evolution Forum as a safe space to explore this aspect of my personhood that I percieve the world finds distasteful. With good boundaries, no poor taste is being exhibited. I am safe. We are safe.

Thanks for the sanctuary, men!

[Marco_ukmus]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

And Mark - it's not that the eye-contact is unwanted. I ache for it. But it's past experience with the "w*t*f* are YOU lookin' at, poofter?" disdain for confrontation that might make me shift my gaze if I saw you seeing me seeing you. Now, if there were some sort of signal of mutual respect, say, a subtle smile and nod from you, I might accept this as an invitation to get my eyeful.

Well, when i made the comment about straight guys liking people (regardless of gender) checking them out, obviously what follows, and the effects of such an event in the straight guy is a inevitably is determined by how comfortable they feel in the situation and how comfortable they feel about them selves. It might sound strange, but for a straight guy, its a common un-announced belief that any homosexual thoughts or actions could some how distort how the guy is perceived and thus threaten their image. Of course I am making a big generalization here. I think I am right in stating that those straight guys whom don't feel comfortable about themselves and around others, those whom perhaps lack self confidence, or act all matcho but on the inside are insecure, are the ones that express such distastefulness, either verbally or with actions. I do think that people like that (or at least i hope) are in the minority. I think people like that are usually the ones that cause trouble when they are drunk and so on. I personally, like many many many others am comfortably with who i am, and have no problems with people (male or female) looking at me. Having said that, im not by nature an exsabitionist either... I like to think of posting photos online as a way of getting un-biased feedback.

Originally Posted by flexicon1

Because this is all tied up with my sexuality, though, I'd probably need some sort of gentle "this is for your eyes only" message, so I don't start imagining we're going home after your workout to get a more up-close muscle worship session, give you a much-deserved full body massage, and, ahem, stuff.

This would no doubt cause problems with a straight guy, regardless of who they are. Mind you, if it were me, and I did (hypathetically) say yes to a private muscle worship, and/or massage, for me, that would be as far as it could EVER go. But I don't think you would ask a straight guy such things anyway...

Originally Posted by flexicon1

By the way, I'll go ahead and put in my order for your videos: Marko: End Phase 3; Marko: Flexxing 190; and the phenomenal trilogy Marko: 210 LEAN!, Marko: 235 RIPPED; and Marko: 265 SICK!.

Yep, your on the list. but its still in production at the moment By the way, we have a special offer at the moment, if you buy the trilogy post launch date, you get a free video "Marko: 534lbs FREAK" lol

Originally Posted by flexicon1

it's interesting that getting caught is so embarrassing, probably because being so narcissistic and self-indulgent is socially quite gross.

I think thats exactly it, that flexing for ones own pleasure is I guess deemed socially gross. But hey, women do it all the time, granted they don't flex, but they do check themselves out in the mirror what with their makeup and dresses and what not. Is it really that different for us guys?

Originally Posted by flexicon1

And yet, if I were in that locker room, and some guy started flexxing for himself in the mirror, if it felt safe I might make myself comfortable and watch. If someone else came in, I'd probably feel as embarrassed as you secret posers to be caught watching the socially gross act I'd just been privately getting off on.

I personally would not flex until the room was empty, unless, some how I knew you wanted to see me do it... humm, that opens up an entire new area...

Marc

[paarke]

Well I definitely want the 543lb freak video! So, purely hypothetically speaking, when you do become a 543lb behemoth, with the whole world totally awed, just how hypothetical will these hypothetical worship/massage sessions be?

I should also add, that if anyone else on here goes to LivingWell in Brindley Place, firstly, email me, and secondly, if you ever feel the urge to do a bit of flexing in the weights room, and I'm there, don't stop on my account.

[Marco_ukmus]

Originally Posted by paarke

Well I definitely want the 543lb freak video! So, purely hypothetically speaking, when you do become a 543lb behemoth, with the whole world totally awed, just how hypothetical will these hypothetical worship/massage sessions be?

Ah! so your interested! hehe * Evil grin * Well, if, and thats a big 'IF', I was 543lbs (I believe thats what you asked) then hypotheticaly worship/massage sessions would not be (I guess) so hypothetical...

Thats all i'm saying Make of that what you will

Marc

[paarke]

Well in that case, roll on the growth! lol

[Flexus Lee]

Some of us like to show off - others like to watch. We really need one another. The exhibitionist gets off on feeling like he is the Ultimate Sex God, he's reliant on the watcher to verify and reinforce this fantastic (fantasy-like) status. In return, he gives the watcher a sexual object: totally carnal, totally physical and highly erotic.

Sure it's hot admiring and having sex with a guy and his muscles; good on you if you manage to find a life-partner with all the physical and emotional/spiritual/ecological/etc. [very Ken Wilbur, I know but he is pervasive] needs. But, I think, it's more important to be able to find a partner that you can grow with and learn together through life. Once commitment is established, sex (perhaps with others) can be negotiated through careful, meaningful and honest communication. There may well be ways of satisfying internal muscle hunger whilst preserving a lifelong relationship - perhaps through exploration with others, with a committed and steadfast partner by your side, the hunger may cease to be important? Perhaps it will then just be one aspect of the many things that turns oneself on and no longer be all consuming.

[Moosetree99]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

The terms were coined by a german psychologist, Magnus Hirschfeld, in the late 1800s, and he reported on a patient who was only aroused by flexxing his own biceps, then he would do chin-ups until he came, somewhere between the 20th and 30th repetion, without manual stimulation.

Amazingly enough, that used to happen to me. I found out, when I was a kid, that I would get this "strange" feeling whenever I would play on the monkey-bars. I didn't know what it meant, but I knew that it wasn't normal. Then I tried doing chin-ups at home in the basement. Wow, was that weird for me! I can still do it, though it tires me out severely.

[Yachirobi]

How strange! Do you think it's a psychological thing or some kind of physical quirk?

[MuscleAvatar]

Had that happen to me the other day-

Was eating lunch with some friends at a Baja Fresh and this dude walks in with a ribbed muscle t shirt (wife beater type) of course, and he was the most BEAUTIFUL man I had ever laid eyes on. Tats on his delts and perfect V shape. I had to naturally pretend that I didn't notice him around my other friends but MAN it was soooo hard not to gawk at him. He was an absolute adonis.

BTW- the food was absolutely horrible but seeing that GOD of a man all the more made up for it. I bet he gets quite a bit of stares wherever he goes. Wish I had my digital camera working on my phone. I could have serruptiously taken a pic of him.

[Minotaur]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

I try to stay calm when it happens. I don't bump into a lot of bodybuilders day-to-day, but when I do, I try to just enjoy the situation. I try to take it in without being too troll-like. My instinct is to stare and go feel it and touch myself. None of those reactions is appropriate in a public setting, so I try to collect as much data in my memory, being as subtle as I can, and then use it later, when I am alone, and can use the bottled-up feelings for fantasy material.

That's all pretty much true for me too.

One fantasy (among many) I have is to be working out, muscle pumped and swollen, getting an erection, performing a final tough rep and ejaculating. Even thinking about that happening to other guys gets me hard. I would love to be so pumped and aroused that I spontaneously ejaculate.

[not2bright]

Wow, I am SO glad I found this thread! I had stopped coming here, because I started thinking that I was all alone. But after reading this thread, I've just realized that I'm not.

I recently came out to myself, and to two of my closest friends, both of whom I met at the gym. One was my trainer for several months, and the other was his friend. My trainer ended up living with me for about eight months, while he was between jobs. Being a trainer and former competitive bodybuilder, you can imagine what it was like for me, having him walk around shirtless most of the time.

My biggest problem was dealing with my guilt in objectifying him. By the time I finally came out, he had moved out of state for a new job. I had to tell him over the phone, which was one of the hardest things I've had to do. Imagine my surprise when he said that he knew all along! Yes, despite my attempts not to be obvious when complimenting him, watching him pose in the mirror or taking his measurements, he knew. But he said that it didn't matter, and that if he had to move back to the area for some reason, he'd live with me again without hesitation.

I recently had the chance to visit him in his new city, and we had dinner and a few drinks. Of course, I had to ask how he figured it out and when. He said that it was when he first started training me. There was one day that he was showing me how to do seated shoulder presses, and rather than watching him in the mirror, I kept looking at the floor. So it was my LACK of eye contact that gave me away, curiously. But he said that some of the other trainers there, who I got to know through him, also figured it out and asked him if I was gay or not.

So in the end, I guess it was a bigger deal to me than it was to anyone else. But most importantly, he said that I never made him feel objectified or uncomfortable; I never crossed any lines. He appreciated my compliments, because it gave him validation for his efforts in the gym.

In any event, thanks for making me feel like I have some company in this world! In fact, I think flexicon1 and ethernet_jock may be my brothers from a prior life...

[brent]

Originally Posted by not2bright

...
Imagine my surprise when he said that he knew all along! Yes, despite my attempts not to be obvious when complimenting him, watching him pose in the mirror or taking his measurements, he knew. But he said that it didn't matter, ...
...I had to ask how he figured it out and when. He said that it was when he first started training me. There was one day that he was showing me how to do seated shoulder presses, and rather than watching him in the mirror, I kept looking at the floor. So it was my LACK of eye contact that gave me away, curiously.
...

I've often wondered about this. However, I feel creepy looking at guys much in the gym.

[flexicon1]

Wow, Minotaur! Spontaneous ejaculation on final rep is a super-arousing image I've definitely had. My muscle-orientation has a lot to do with WILL, i.e. the more effort and strain a guy is putting his muscle through, the hotter the image is to me. I've fantasized myself being the guy getting aroused by my own intensity of strength and will and power, and that's definitely hot, but not quite as hot for me as the idea of seeing someone else aroused by his own strength and will and power. Add a few other details to the guy, like youth (teens-to-twenties), height (5'11" +), believable super strength (like a 19-year-old Brandon Hancock benching 180 for 40 reps, gets wood on the first 10, then with each rep the tension builds and builds, until he explodes with an outrageous splontaneous orgasm on the final mind-bending rep) and if the ejaculation is unusually large, shoots alarmingly far with great force for more than average length of time, and if any hot male onlookers are similarly aroused and spontaneously ejaculate just from the sight of it, well, then I've got the scene for me.

What a bizarre thing the mind is, getting aroused by things that could hardly happen in reality. Yet here we all are. Luckily, a few real things still get me off, too

Not2bright - Thanks for sharing your personal hell. I know that feeling all too well also - having the stuff of your dreams right in front of you and not being able to communicate your desires because its just inappropriate. Though, I gotta tell you, I haven't had the glorious luck of having to measure and watch it pose on a regular basis you lucky dog. Not many guys ever get that opportunity if you think about it. So, when you came out to him, did you come out as gay, or as a muscle worshipper, or both? And since he was your trainer, how are you lookin'?

[not2bright]

Originally Posted by flexicon1

So, when you came out to him, did you come out as gay, or as a muscle worshipper, or both?

I came out as gay, but I'm not sure about that. I may be bi. But that's a whole other story!

He knew I was a muscle worshipper, however. There was no closet big enough to contain that. In his words, "You're a total biceps freak, aren't you?"

Originally Posted by flexicon1

And since he was your trainer, how are you lookin'?

Well, better than five years ago when I was an emaciated little twig, but now that he's moved away, it's harder to motivate myself. He always pushed me harder than I was willing to push myself. I'm falling back into my groove now, but it's still not the same without him spotting me...

[newmus]

Originally Posted by not2bright

...He said that it was when he first started training me. There was one day that he was showing me how to do seated shoulder presses, and rather than watching him in the mirror, I kept looking at the floor. So it was my LACK of eye contact that gave me away, curiously....

that was very interesting. i tend to watch with a "i'm learning something" kinda look - well that is why i'm staring at some guy's delicious deltoids or pectacular pecs during his workout. and come to think of it, i think that that is when i'm often the least aroused.