a little otter update

[ethernet_jock]

For those who I consider friends that generally only catch up with me here...

My wife and I went to the doctor's office yesterday during the lunch hour for her special 20-week pregnancy check-up and ultra-sound (attached below)..

We're having a BOY!! w00t... another man to add to the otter clan...

Also attached is a picture of me and my current Son at the Zoo looking at the Otter exhibit... I thought it gave a bit of a sneak preview of how my muscle-building has been coming along too in a relaxed and mostly not-flexed kinda way.



That's it!

Latah...

[arpeejay]

Cuties!

xoxo

richard

[Marco_ukmus]

Congratulations Ether! You must be thrilled! :0)

Keep up the good work with your body building... just remember to keep growing...

Marc

[brent]

Very cute, and with you as a dad I'm sure they will be buff, and smart enough to score all the chics/dudes they'll want later on!

[Mdlftr]

Awww! He's got your silhouette!

Congratulations! Two boys is (almost) too much, but it's great!

Mdlftr

[glammaman2000]

You can stop now.We've been fruitful,we've multiplied over the earth.Enough,already.Seriously,it's encouraging for the future to know that a couple of kids will get the caring,compassionate parents that I know you&your wife to be.& it's great that your son is going to get a LITTLE BROTHER!Guide him through the adjustment;&SEE how fast he matures!

[ethernet_jock]

thanks Glam!!

and just as an FYI - we do intend to stop HERE.... Heather has been remarkably sick with this pregnancy - much more than the last - so we're definitely done. Two kids is perfect - that way they're brothers and they can look out for one another... everyone needs a solid ally when growing up in this new world of ours.

We do - however - intend to adopt some day. When the boys are a bit older (maybe 5 and 7 or later)... Heather and I really want to adopt an older-than-a-baby and otherwise "unwanted" child. There are too many beautiful kids in this world that will never really know a permanent stable family.... all these arranged-before-birth adoptions to me just feel wrong when there's so many other kids who need a home and just a whole lot of extra love and patience...

Thanks everyone else too! It's very very cool to know that there are such sweet and loving gay, bi, and straight guys out there that can appreciate the miracle of children. It's so irritating to me the straight guys around my age who think they're exposing vounderability (god forbid) and feminine sensitivity to pretend to care about children at all. Sad... One guy I know in particular who I worked with at my last job doesn't even pay any attention at all to HIS OWN KID because he's too busy being selfish....

Thanks again!!

[BigSteve6ft3]

Otters, otters, everywhere . . .

Congratulations, EJ!

[brent]

Originally Posted by ethernet_jock

...
We do - however - intend to adopt some day. When the boys are a bit older (maybe 5 and 7 or later)... Heather and I really want to adopt an older-than-a-baby and otherwise "unwanted" child. There are too many beautiful kids in this world that will never really know a permanent stable family.... all these arranged-before-birth adoptions to me just feel wrong when there's so many other kids who need a home and just a whole lot of extra love and patience...
...

That's really nice. There are so many unwanted kids out there it's awful.

A funny thing I thought of, was my grandparents once talking about a couple that had 3 kids as having, "more that their share." I come from a family of 2 or less kids on both sides (and am an only child myself.)

[claygrant]

whoo hoo!!! congrats EJ!!

[arpeejay]

Of course, all this makes me wonder if E-J knows what "otter" means in gayspeak?

I'm guessing not.

xoxo

richard

whose late husband was one

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

Of course, all this makes me wonder if E-J knows what "otter" means in gayspeak?

I'm guessing not.

xoxo

richard

whose late husband was one

O.k. What's the secondary meaning?

Mdlftr

[arpeejay]

Bear = big, beefy furry man

Musclebear = big, beefy, well-built furry man

Wolf = lean, well-built, furry man

Otter = skinny, furry man

Jeremy (5'8 1/2" tall, 135 lbs., moderately furry) was an "otter." I'm a "bear" or a "musclebear" (depending on how much or how little I've been working out!)

E-J definitely is NOT an "otter"; he's too big! He doesn't look particularly furry, either. (Terminology for big, muscular men who are NOT furry is still somewhat undefined; "rhino" is probably apt but it has been appropriated -- minus the "h" -- as a Republican epithet...)

rpj

hoping this is all clear now!

[Mdlftr]

Terminology for big, muscular men who are NOT furry is still somewhat undefined; "rhino" is probably apt but it has been appropriated -- minus the "h" -- as a Republican epithet...

rpj

hoping this is all clear now![/QUOTE]

O.k., makes sense now.

So, umm, is the committee that does the "defining" the same one that works on "gaydar" and "gay stylistic sense" and all that other stuff?

Curious straight guy
Mdlftr

(N.B.: Our committees aren't so centralized. We have some universal norms, like grunting at other guys in the gym, ONLY after we've lifted around them for 5 years or more, checking out big racks, (male or female), and hanging out with the guys and watching sports, but otherwise we're pretty universally surly and independent -- sort of like Clint Eastwood in any of his Spaghetti westerns)

[Corwin]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

E-J definitely is NOT an "otter"; he's too big! He doesn't look particularly furry, either. (Terminology for big, muscular men who are NOT furry is still somewhat undefined; "rhino" is probably apt but it has been appropriated -- minus the "h" -- as a Republican epithet...)

Why not just post a link to your website here...

[ethernet_jock]

LMFAO...

No - I'm definitely NO "otter" in the gay sense of the term... which I had truly never heard before. "bear" I had heard... and "twink" I had heard... but that was about it.

:P

I attained "otter" sometime in middle school as a reference to my last name. My first name is Chris - which is entirely too common when playing team sports on the playground.... so instead of calling me by my last name, someone decided it would sound better to change it a bit and turn it into "otter". It's stuck ever since, and I never balked at it because it's not really depricating in any way. If you knew my name, you'd probably understand better. People still call me that today - even at my work place.

So anyway - thanks everyone again!!

[ethernet_jock]

incidentally... I would say "slightly to moderately hairy" as opposed to "smooth".... I'm no bear.... but I'm not lacking hair either. I would like to think "just enough hair in all the right places" would be the right answer.

Leave the rest up to imagination

[brent]

Originally Posted by ethernet_jock

People still call me that today - even at my work place.

Whatever you want to believe. I bet when you're gone you turn into, 'Chris, you know that big dude down in IT."

As for where do these conventions come from. I think they get posted in a bar in really bad part of SF. Then reps from gay bars all over the world go down there to make duplicates, and suddenly the world has blue bandanas hanging out their left pockets...

[arpeejay]

Ah, transparent fur!

It happens...

As for where these terms come from:

There's a cabal. Its aim is to achieve world domination through the monolithicness of gay thought and expression. And, yes, Scott is a senior Pooh Bah therein.

xoxo

richard

a mere flunky

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

As for where these terms come from:

There's a cabal. Its aim is to achieve world domination through the monolithicness of gay thought and expression. And, yes, Scott is a senior Pooh Bah therein.

xoxo

richard

a mere flunky

"Pooh Bah"!?! So there IS a G&S connection!
Oh Mikado!

[wbhunk]

Three thoughts:

First, EJ, hearty congratulations!

Second, wasn't one of the characters in "Animal House" named Otter? That was the thing that came immediately to mind when I thought of a straight guy being called "otter".

Third, the meetings of the Worldwide Conspiracy to Dictate Gay and Wannabe Gay Behavior are held every third Wednesday at an undisclosed location. Bring a covered dish and your own utensils.

[glammaman2000]

My subscription to the WCDGWGB newsletter expired!I'm now a month behind on the all-important GAY AGENDA!!!Where do I re-up?

[wbhunk]

Don't worry, Glamma, you haven't missed much....oh that's right, don't forget, effective May 1, all gay men must wear speedos to work every second Tuesday.

[ashleydelfin]

Otters rule, rock, and are, in general, spiffy.

And I do mean the aquatic animal.

If I die and come back as an animal my options are: otter, dolphin, and cat. If God doesn't have any of these available at the moment, I will simply not come back. Unless I get to be a girl... girls are also pretty cool... they also have cooties! And cool girls make men suffer... and they are even cooler for teaching me the art of being a total b*tch.

But that's so way off topic...

So where was I? Oh yeah, otters rule, specially the river ones.

And congrats on the baby. Babies are cool, too. Cool thing you're adopting, too. Wish you the best... both with the baby and the adoption but more with the baby because the baby will be here sooner... and then you won't be able to SLEEP! So sleep a lot now that you still can!

~Ashley

[ethernet_jock]

Originally Posted by ashleydelfin

.. and then you won't be able to SLEEP! So sleep a lot now that you still can!

~Ashley

Oh I know... I remember... the last one was only 2 years ago and he had A LOT of trouble sleeping for the first 6-7 full months! It's like a blur, I can hardly remember living my life at all... just... get up (or stay up), go to work, come home, take care of baby... sleep between naps 45mins-90mins at a time....

*sigh* that's the ONLY part I'm really not looking forward to again. Particularly the convenience eating part and what it did to my hard work that I'm just now really starting to surpass.... if I can keep from doing that again I'll be doing good.

Thanks!!

[Mdlftr]

What's a "twink"?

I gather that it's a pejorative term for a gay man with a certain "look"? Is this the stereotypical "sissy" -- high pitched voice/skinny/uncoordinated/gawky/limp wristed/effeminate type? Sort of like the "Jack" character on "Will and Grace?" Or the guy that recently got canned from The Today Show with Matt Lauer and Katie Couric?


Sounds kinda cruel. Also, does it have any connection to the famous "Twinky Defense" successfully raised by the San Francisco cop who burst in and shot the straight mayor and gay city manager (Harvey Milk) of San Francisco to death 20 years ago? I understood that the cop successfully claimed temporary insanity based on an elevated sugar level based on eating too many twinkies and other junk food. The resulting riots in the gay community lead to a re-trial, and the cop eventually ended up committing suicide.

Did this lead to any review of sentencing guidelines or jury instructions in California?


Mdlftr

[arpeejay]

Twink = young, smooth, gym-toned, handsome, well-dressed,

:-)

Well, those are the NON-pejorative descriptors, anyway. It's not a sissy thing so much as an airheaded, dance your ass off all the time, nothing is more important than brand labels, especially for shoes, fashion, and skin / haircare products.

HTH.

xoxo

richard

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

Twink = young, smooth, gym-toned, handsome, well-dressed,

:-)

Well, those are the NON-pejorative descriptors, anyway. It's not a sissy thing so much as an airheaded, dance your ass off all the time, nothing is more important than brand labels, especially for shoes, fashion, and skin / haircare products.

HTH.

xoxo

richard

Synonyms: Space cadet, Valley Girl/Boy, 'trendy', Fashion Victim.

Got it.

Mdlftr

[ethernet_jock]

My personal impression of that particular definition... I would add:

excessively lean and only sometimes gym-toned... Usually VERY skinny kind of a "swimmer's build" on crystal meth... if you know what I mean.

[brent]

Originally Posted by ethernet_jock

My personal impression of that particular definition... I would add:

excessively lean and only sometimes gym-toned... Usually VERY skinny kind of a "swimmer's build" on crystal meth... if you know what I mean.

LOL, that's actually my exact definition for 'twink'!

Nelly is for a sissy boy, as butch is for a tough boy. Twink is a very thin boy (usually from drugs).

When I lived in New Zealand, they had a brand of liquid-paper called Twink, but that's totally unrelated.

As for loosing your progress, think about quick, healthy, fast-prep food now. You might still have time to plan.

[ethernet_jock]

As for loosing your progress, think about quick, healthy, fast-prep food now. You might still have time to plan.

that is EXACTLY what I"m thinking of!!! Thanks!

[claygrant]

so what about us folk who don't really fit one of these descriptors like twink, bear, otter, butch, wolf... even in a gay community one can feel left out!

[ethernet_jock]

for you Clay? How about just "hot"!!!!!

[claygrant]

Originally Posted by ethernet_jock

for you Clay? How about just "hot"!!!!!

LOL, I would be flattered but I know you're basing it on a few faceless pictures!