What does BDSM have to do with Muscle Growth?

[Ender]

Seriously what does BDSM have to do with Muscle Growth. If nobody grows, how is a big guy beating up, insulting, demeaning, raping a smaller guy muscle growth. It's just a glorifying being a bully and intentionally hurting another human being, without cause, for the sick pleasure of the bully.

I'm sorry but I just don't get how hurting and tormenting some weaker is muscle growth if nobody grows, or shrinks or somehow changes. How is it anything but bullying and torture.

Ender

[nzbodybuilder]

Along a similar note, there has been a lot more muscle worship stories that do not involve growth. I can understand it during or after the growth (either self worship or with others), but when the story is only about a big guy just training and flexing, does that not go outside the idea of this site?
But I agree, Ender, with what you mean about the muscle guy being a bully. All bodybuilders that I personally know (both male and female) are awsome and down to Earth people.

So why are some stories about guys with big muscle becoming more about being a bully?

[Mad Dog]

Some people enjoy domination and submission.

[mewletter]

Some of the members have Schadenfreude in them. Just skip those stories if it's not your taste.

[Aielyn]

I think that it's a matter of what members consider to fall into the idea of the site.

For many, muscle growth isn't the key, but the presence of muscle. So if it's a guy using the muscles that they grew prior to the start of the story, they consider it to be valid.

Mind you, I agree with you, stories that don't actually involve muscle growth directly shouldn't really be posted in the muscle growth story forum. If there's such a desire for such stories, how about having a separate forum for them, so that people who don't want to read those stories don't have to check each story before reading it properly, thus destroying all the fun of actually reading the story?

Those who go "just skip those stories if it's not your taste" (I'm sorry, mewletter, but you're epitomising it) are being rather ignorant of the fact that stories aren't marked as "growth" or "non-growth", so you can't just skip a story without first at least skimming it to see if there's growth.

[Yachirobi]

Originally Posted by Ender

Seriously what does BDSM have to do with Muscle Growth. If nobody grows, how is a big guy beating up, insulting, demeaning, raping a smaller guy muscle growth. It's just a glorifying being a bully and intentionally hurting another human being, without cause, for the sick pleasure of the bully.

I'm sorry but I just don't get how hurting and tormenting some weaker is muscle growth if nobody grows, or shrinks or somehow changes. How is it anything but bullying and torture.

Ender

I've asked the same thing about why teenagers and younger characters *shudder* are so often featured in stories but I actually get it in that case. Teens are often MG protagonists because the MG fetish is, in a way, a fetishism of puberty. We make the mundane and slow process of going from a boy to a man into an instantaneous and miraculous process, one that can be re-experienced and/or optimized to capture all the wild possibilities of the change without the heartaches that come from the less-than-glamorous attachments to puberty, especially that really scary one where we find out we're attracted to boys instead of girls.

That's just one perspective but I think it's a pretty common one, even if that might be a little blunt.

As for BDSM? Think about it. Muscles equal power. That much I can say is a 100% absolute truth for every member on this board. Muscles equal power and power is sexy. For some people, they fantasize about having the power to punish others. Some people want to punish those who persecuted them. Others want to punish those who they think persecuted them. Yet others want to punish themselves. And then there are those who want to be punished.

I realize that I might be offending a lot of people because I'm equating BDSM urges with internalized homophobia. In many cases this is true but that doesn't apply to everyone and I hope it doesn't apply to most of you. Let me follow that by saying that there is nothing wrong with BDSM in my eyes so long as it's consensual.

[mewletter]

Probably create subcategories in the story section? Or make it compulsory for authors to state the themes of the story before the title heading? Best make some practical suggestions for the moderator to fix this 'situation'.

[Aielyn]

Originally Posted by mewletter

Probably create subcategories in the story section? Or make it compulsory for authors to state the themes of the story before the title heading? Best make some practical suggestions for the moderator to fix this 'situation'.

Personally, I do think a proper tagging system would be good. Perhaps the easiest way would be to have a set of letters used in the topic title for the thread, prior to the name of the story, that would let people know what sort of story it is.

For instance, perhaps H/S/B/N could indicate sexual content (Homo, Straight, Both, None) - "Homo" in order to leave "G" for the next one. Perhaps G/W could indicate either "Growth" or "Worship" (where a story without growth is a worship story, whether or not characters in the story actually engage in said worship). Perhaps F/R could indicate "fantasy" or "realistic" - in growth stories, this would mark the nature of the growth; in worship stories, it would be whether the muscular form described is realistic or not.

So, for instance, a story about a gay guy suddenly doubling in muscularity and then having sex would be coded HGF, while a muscular guy of typical professional bodybuilder proportions having group sex with both a guy and a girl would be coded BWR. If it's a story about a straight guy working out to grow over the period of a year using the help of some drugs, and sex isn't actually involved, it would be NGR.


However, it's a rather difficult system to enforce. On the other hand, simply adding a "Muscle Worship Stories" forum, either separate to, or as a subforum of, the "Muscle Growth Stories" forum, is easy to do, and appropriate older stories could be moved over as members spot them, using the Report mechanism. Since non-Growth stories are generally distinct from Growth stories, and the people who like them will likely gravitate to the appropriate forum, it's a relatively easy way to organise it all.

[Cobaltous]

You have to understand that BDSM is a subculture that has rules and guidelines. There are variations of BDSM, some mild and others extreme. It is not simply bullying and tormenting the weak. BDSM requires a power exchange between the dominate and submissive. Both parties must agree on what each other must uphold (like guidelines) to maintain the contract.

When the submissive relinquishes his/her 'freedoms' or control for themselves, the dominate gains the role of the controller and guardian of the submissive. This role creates a special duty for the dominate and even a power rush.

Now, when it comes to these fantasy stories with BDSM sub themes, the dominate and muscle bound character is usually portrayed as the aggressive dominate who seeks to force his will over someone weaker, physically and sometimes mentally. For those who have dominate and submissive tendencies, that is a turn on and perhaps it is for the author of the story as well.

[nnnrg]

Originally Posted by Cobaltous

You have to understand that BDSM is a subculture that has rules and guidelines. There are variations of BDSM, some mild and others extreme. It is not simply bullying and tormenting the weak. BDSM requires a power exchange between the dominate and submissive. Both parties must agree on what each other must uphold (like guidelines) to maintain the contract.

When the submissive relinquishes his/her 'freedoms' or control for themselves, the dominate gains the role of the controller and guardian of the submissive. This role creates a special duty for the dominate and even a power rush.

Now, when it comes to these fantasy stories with BDSM sub themes, the dominate and muscle bound character is usually portrayed as the aggressive dominate who seeks to force his will over someone weaker, physically and sometimes mentally. For those who have dominate and submissive tendencies, that is a turn on and perhaps it is for the author of the story as well.

I've seen very few of the "bullying" stories where there is any exchange of consent. I have seen it in one or two of them, and while the bullying itself is a major turn-off to me the fact that consent was involved made it much easier to read and in a few cases, actually enjoyable.

I find it problematic: enslavement, bullying, and rape are all aspects of the dehumanization of one person by another. Yet, I personally enjoy stories where there is forced muscle growth. I did eventually figure out that there was a correlation between puberty, forcing sexuality and growth, and the elements in the stories, but it's not a very direct connection.

Probably that something in my psyche doesn't equate 'becoming a stud' with 'being harmed' even though the psychological violation could be just as bad.

[Cobaltous]

Originally Posted by nnnrg

I've seen very few of the "bullying" stories where there is any exchange of consent. I have seen it in one or two of them, and while the bullying itself is a major turn-off to me the fact that consent was involved made it much easier to read and in a few cases, actually enjoyable.

I find it problematic: enslavement, bullying, and rape are all aspects of the dehumanization of one person by another. Yet, I personally enjoy stories where there is forced muscle growth. I did eventually figure out that there was a correlation between puberty, forcing sexuality and growth, and the elements in the stories, but it's not a very direct connection.

Probably that something in my psyche doesn't equate 'becoming a stud' with 'being harmed' even though the psychological violation could be just as bad.

Oh, I agree. Dehumanization really bothers me too. Dominate and submissive situation, even subtle ones, are enjoyable to me. However, I'm not into the bullying/'ownership' type of domination.

[MonsterMash62]

I personally get the bullying thing, but that's because the muscle thing is about how a guy is more powerful than other guys (to me).
Actually, muscle growth to me, period, is about one man being better or more masculine than another guy. Having one guy be demeaned by another guy shows that to me.

It is a sub-category of muscle-growth (if it includes muscle growth), and should possibly be categorized as such.

[Yachirobi]

I think a basic tagging system would do just fine. We don't need anything fancy, just some tags in case something unorthodox is included. Putting stories with BDSM in a separate category would be tricky because some longer stories would tilt towards it later in a run and also because there are lots of different definitions for what a BDSM story actually is. You might think you see a domination story when someone else just sees hard training. Someone might think the violence in a story is fetishistic when the author just put a fight in to mix things up.

[Ender]

I would like to thank everyone for your thoughtful comment on this subject...

Originally Posted by nzbodybuilder

Along a similar note, there has been a lot more muscle worship stories that do not involve growth. I can understand it during or after the growth (either self worship or with others), but when the story is only about a big guy just training and flexing, does that not go outside the idea of this site?

But I agree, Ender, with what you mean about the muscle guy being a bully. All bodybuilders that I personally know (both male and female) are awesome and down to Earth people.

So why are some stories about guys with big muscle becoming more about being a bully?

It was not my intention to lump muscle worship with BDSM because muscle worship is the willing act of the worshiper and in BDSM the act is compelled by the one being worshiped.

I also can accept a broad range of what constitutes muscle growth... basically anything that is a change in an individual's size or strength including learning to deal with the 'new body' and concerns about changing. Even a passing memory of having been a different size would make it cool.

I believe that the drive that allows a many really big guys to get really big arises some sort of fear and empathy makes them sensitive the feeling of others and less likely to be a bully.

Originally Posted by Mad Dog

Some people enjoy domination and submission.

That is a given but that doesn't mean it is part of muscle growth.

Originally Posted by mewletter

Some of the members have Schadenfreude in them. Just skip those stories if it's not your taste.

You're right, sadly many people like to see others suffer and worse some delight in the pain of others. As Aielyn says the lack tagging means you have to at least skim the story before you know that to expect.

Originally Posted by Aielyn

I think that it's a matter of what members consider to fall into the idea of the site.

For many, muscle growth isn't the key, but the presence of muscle. So if it's a guy using the muscles that they grew prior to the start of the story, they consider it to be valid.

Mind you, I agree with you, stories that don't actually involve muscle growth directly shouldn't really be posted in the muscle growth story forum. If there's such a desire for such stories, how about having a separate forum for them, so that people who don't want to read those stories don't have to check each story before reading it properly, thus destroying all the fun of actually reading the story?

Those who go "just skip those stories if it's not your taste" (I'm sorry, mewletter, but you're epitomizing it) are being rather ignorant of the fact that stories aren't marked as "growth" or "non-growth", so you can't just skip a story without first at least skimming it to see if there's growth.

Yes, it's a question of what the general membership will accept, and a tagging standard would be nice.

Originally Posted by Yachirobi

I've asked the same thing about why teenagers and younger characters *shudder* are so often featured in stories but I actually get it in that case. Teens are often MG protagonists because the MG fetish is, in a way, a fetishism of puberty. We make the mundane and slow process of going from a boy to a man into an instantaneous and miraculous process, one that can be re-experienced and/or optimized to capture all the wild possibilities of the change without the heartaches that come from the less-than-glamorous attachments to puberty, especially that really scary one where we find out we're attracted to boys instead of girls.

That's just one perspective but I think it's a pretty common one, even if that might be a little blunt.

As for BDSM? Think about it. Muscles equal power. That much I can say is a 100% absolute truth for every member on this board. Muscles equal power and power is sexy. For some people, they fantasize about having the power to punish others. Some people want to punish those who persecuted them. Others want to punish those who they think persecuted them. Yet others want to punish themselves. And then there are those who want to be punished.

I realize that I might be offending a lot of people because I'm equating BDSM urges with internalized homophobia. In many cases this is true but that doesn't apply to everyone and I hope it doesn't apply to most of you. Let me follow that by saying that there is nothing wrong with BDSM in my eyes so long as it's consensual.

For what its worth I don't have a problem with growing teens but growing little kids starts getting creepy fast. In my view, sex beyond what would be age approbate before the growth is a taboo as is any sex with a 'real adult.' What pubescent boy hasn't jacked off on his own or with a buddy, so having a kid grow and jacking off in joy with his new body would be okay in my book.

Agreed muscle is power and power is sexy. And I want muscle, but not to be huge and massive. I just want enough to be sexy and able to have my body do anything I would ask it to do, the Gymnast, H.S. or college Wrestler sort of look.

I wish everyone would play nice with everyone and leave me alone. I don't want control or be controlled by anyone. I can understand that some people may get off on BDSM, but it pisses me off when they imply that every one should be into it and if you aren't there is something wrong with you...

Originally Posted by mewletter

Probably create subcategories in the story section? Or make it compulsory for authors to state the themes of the story before the title heading? Best make some practical suggestions for the moderator to fix this 'situation'.

I tend to agree with the idea of tagging as I believe it would have less impact on the format of the website.

Originally Posted by Aielyn

Personally, I do think a proper tagging system would be good. Perhaps the easiest way would be to have a set of letters used in the topic title for the thread, prior to the name of the story, that would let people know what sort of story it is.

For instance, perhaps H/S/B/N could indicate sexual content (Homo, Straight, Both, None) - "Homo" in order to leave "G" for the next one. Perhaps G/W could indicate either "Growth" or "Worship" (where a story without growth is a worship story, whether or not characters in the story actually engage in said worship). Perhaps F/R could indicate "fantasy" or "realistic" - in growth stories, this would mark the nature of the growth; in worship stories, it would be whether the muscular form described is realistic or not.

So, for instance, a story about a gay guy suddenly doubling in muscularity and then having sex would be coded HGF, while a muscular guy of typical professional bodybuilder proportions having group sex with both a guy and a
girl would be coded BWR. If it's a story about a straight guy working out to grow over the period of a year using the help of some drugs, and sex isn't actually involved, it would be NGR.


However, it's a rather difficult system to enforce. On the other hand, simply adding a "Muscle Worship Stories" forum, either separate to, or as a sub forum of, the "Muscle Growth Stories" forum, is easy to do, and appropriate older stories could be moved over as members spot them, using the Report mechanism. Since non-Growth stories are generally distinct from Growth stories, and the people who like them will likely gravitate to the appropriate forum, it's a relatively easy way to organize it all.

Agreed again, tagging would be nice but is difficult to implement.

Originally Posted by Cobaltous

You have to understand that BDSM is a subculture that has rules and guidelines. There are variations of BDSM, some mild and others extreme. It is not simply bullying and tormenting the weak. BDSM requires a power exchange between the dominate and submissive. Both parties must agree on what each other must uphold (like guidelines) to maintain the contract.

When the submissive relinquishes his/her 'freedoms' or control for themselves, the dominate gains the role of the controller and guardian of the submissive. This role creates a special duty for the dominate and even a power rush.

Now, when it comes to these fantasy stories with BDSM sub themes, the dominate and muscle bound character is usually portrayed as the aggressive dominate who seeks to force his will over someone weaker, physically and sometimes mentally. For those who have dominate and submissive tendencies, that is a turn on and perhaps it is for the author of the story as well.

I have heard that it's all really just role play and there are rules. And that the submissive partner is really the one in control. But what contact I have had with bdsm people, all self professed "Masters," is that for them it isn't a game, or at least the don't want to let outsiders in on the rules so they can be taken advantage of.

Originally Posted by nnnrg

I've seen very few of the "bullying" stories where there is any exchange of consent. I have seen it in one or two of them, and while the bullying itself is a major turn-off to me the fact that consent was involved made it much easier to read and in a few cases, actually enjoyable.

I find it problematic: enslavement, bullying, and rape are all aspects of the dehumanization of one person by another. Yet, I personally enjoy stories where there is forced muscle growth. I did eventually figure out that there was a correlation between puberty, forcing sexuality and growth, and the elements in the stories, but it's not a very direct connection.

Probably that something in my psyche doesn't equate 'becoming a stud' with 'being harmed' even though the psychological violation could be just as bad.

For me the idea of intentionally hurting someone is repugnant, even if they want to be hurt. Some thing are just wrong. When a bully gets caught their first excuse is always "I was just playing/joking/fooling with him." If the guy you're joking with don't know it's a joke, IT"S NOT A JOKE.

You bring up an interesting point about puberty and forced muscle growth. Right about the you figure out how to be a kid your body won't let you be a kid any more. In my opinion Muscle and Height (size) are about the only thing about puberty that wasn't gross and I didn't get enough of either.

As I said I wouldn't want to be huge/massive but there is a little part of me thinks it would be cool to be big. But I have managed to accept that for me being built like a gymnast would be as studly as I could get and I fear being too big. So that that wants to be huge/massive wants some one or some thing to force me, kicking and screaming all the way, to be the Incredible Hulk.

Originally Posted by Cobaltous

Oh, I agree. Dehumanization really bothers me too. Dominate and submissive situation, even subtle ones, are enjoyable to me. However, I'm not into the bullying/'ownership' type of domination.

Personally I like the idea of a partner/buddy as an equal

Originally Posted by MonsterMash62

I personally get the bullying thing, but that's because the muscle thing is about how a guy is more powerful than other guys (to me).
Actually, muscle growth to me, period, is about one man being better or more masculine than another guy. Having one guy be demeaned by another guy shows that to me.

It is a sub-category of muscle-growth (if it includes muscle growth), and should possibly be categorized as such.

To each Their own...

Originally Posted by Yachirobi

I think a basic tagging system would do just fine. We don't need anything fancy, just some tags in case something unorthodox is included. Putting stories with BDSM in a separate category would be tricky because some longer stories would tilt towards it later in a run and also because there are lots of different definitions for what a BDSM story actually is. You might think you see a domination story when someone else just sees hard training. Someone might think the violence in a story is fetishistic when the author just put a fight in to mix things up.

Agreed Since most Writerd observe the "Start a new thread for each chapter" format a couple of words about the story content might work well if the writers are willing to support it.

Ender

[Mad Dog]

I think a tagging system would be welcome, as to help members avoid stories with themes they don't particularly care for. Such a system is already used in other erotic story forums.

http://bit.ly/hHtiL0

[Ender]

Originally Posted by Mad Dog

I think a tagging system would be welcome, as to help members avoid stories with themes they don't particularly care for. Such a system is already used in other erotic story forums.

http://bit.ly/hHtiL0

I took a look at this tagging system it's very detailed; possibly too detailed to get authors to actually use it. Maybe we could subset this and add a couple of tags unique to muscle and transformational stories... like AR/AP Age Regression/Progression

Too bad all the stories on the Internet aren't in a common database and tagged with a similar system...

Ender

[Ogun]

*Crossly* May I point out that sometimes not knowing what we're going to find can be a good thing? It can lead to pleasant surprises as well as unpleasant ones.

[MuscleBoy23]

Ender - I totally agree with you. There have been a few muscle growth stories (ones featuring actual growth and/or size inflation) where some bad, or cruel person achieves some type of inflation and uses it to kill or crush people, eat people, put their dick in somebody, and grow while inside of them, splitting them in half, or shoving guys up their asses, etc., - the whole weird, perverse and freaky gamut of things that overweight 40-50 year old dudes with a computer think muscular guys dream about doing, or would do if societal constraints were relaxed.

However - having said that - the reason I started putting on weight/muscle is because I had a horrible adolescence. I skipped two grades and I was a late bloomer anyways. I was 12 as a high school freshman. I was 4'10" and 85 lbs. I got picked on horribly (it was an all boys academy). Being gay didn't help matters. I remember thinking what it must feel like for those 6'0", 190 lb musclejock seniors wlking around , muscles bulging out of their uniforms. i wanted to know what that felt like, so I started working out myself, and now - while i'm not a bodybuilder since I'm a full-time medical student - I am pretty buff. A funny thing happened though - when I got to where I wanted to be, and beyond where I ever thought I could be, I never starting feeling myself how I imagined muscular guys must feel, when I was on the outside looking in. every now and then I get that little cocky feeling, or I catch myself in a reflection, bulging out of a very form-flattering shirt, and I get a little extra pep in my step, but I never fantasize about like, fucking a guy until he splits in half from my growing weiner, or picking up some guy and smashing him into a sidewalk. I do have macrophilia fantasies but they never involve torture or pain or hurting people. Then again, I have taken an oath regarding my career choice that I would never harm a human being and I do hold life in such a high esteem that even violent movies and films offend me, so maybe I am a little different. Kudos!

[michael1]

I have always had ideas with forced musclegrowth and forced workouts :P

[Mdlftr]

I've been trying to follow this thread, without much success.

What IS "BDSM"?

"Bondage - Discipline - Sado - Masochism"?

"Bill - David - Sam - Mike"?

"Big Dicks Swell More"?


???????

[Lucas88]

Originally Posted by Mdlftr

I've been trying to follow this thread, without much success.

What IS "BDSM"?

"Bondage - Discipline - Sado - Masochism"?

"Bill - David - Sam - Mike"?

"Big Dicks Swell More"?


???????

Love your sense of humor, MDLFTR! Your lack of success would be because the topic of this thread has little or nothing to do with BDSM under it's traditional meaning...BDSM is the wrong label for this thread to begin with considering what it is that offends most of the posters here. There are few if any true BDSM stories on this site, though, there are a number of stories about muscle humiliation, muscle domination, muscle bullying, and "nerds" getting muscle and taking their revenge on now smaller men (yes, some of that could be considered sadistic behavior but not typically in terms of BDSM).

As far as a tagging system...they're great if you can find someone to maintain them. That would be the writers (might work but some guidelines do need to be established and consistency can be a problem) or the moderator (NOT!!!...Flexodus has a life, people). The other option, as Ogun *crossly* put it is, let it alone and be surprised...sometimes pleasantly, sometimes not...that's life. They are words on a screen and only have the power over you that you give them...don't like it? STOP READING IT!

Oh, and, MuscleBoy23...I applaud you for your choice of career path and dedication but, get off your pedestal. You are not that different. We all have had life experiences (good and bad) that have shaped who we are (for better or worse). Most of the guys on this site hold life in high esteem and would be shocked and even sickened if faced with some of what goes on in the on-line world in their real lives. It's human nature for people to explore their darksides and deal with their frustrations and anger in fantasy and fiction...better there than IN the real world, don't you think? And, FYI, some of the most graphic sites on the internet dealing with the stuff you describe (stuff that is NOT all that common on this site, by the way) are dominated by 20- and 30-somethings so don't demonize a whole age group based on your apparently limited exposure.

[Mdlftr]

B-D-S-M= "BD" and "SM"

= "Bondage and Submission"


Got it!

[Jaypat]

Originally Posted by MuscleBoy23

Ender - I totally agree with you. There have been a few muscle growth stories (ones featuring actual growth and/or size inflation) where some bad, or cruel person achieves some type of inflation and uses it to kill or crush people, eat people, put their dick in somebody, and grow while inside of them, splitting them in half, or shoving guys up their asses, etc., - the whole weird, perverse and freaky gamut of things that overweight 40-50 year old dudes with a computer think muscular guys dream about doing, or would do if societal constraints were relaxed.

You may claim to abhor fictional physical abuse, but you seem to have no problem with real-life verbal abuse-which can be just as damaging as physical abuse.

Maybe you’re not as life affirming as you think you are. I’d say it’s time to sit down for a little self evaluation.

[arpeejay]

Uh, actually...

If I'm not mistaken BD/SM stands for "Bondage / Discipline" (BD) and "Sado-masochism" (SM), which are related but not exactly the same things. People who enjoy being tied up don't necessarily enjoy hot wax treatments!

xoxo

Richard

who is painfully vanilla (well, except for the whole muscle fetish...)

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

Uh, actually...

If I'm not mistaken BD/SM stands for "Bondage / Discipline" (BD) and "Sado-masochism" (SM), which are related but not exactly the same things. People who enjoy being tied up don't necessarily enjoy hot wax treatments!

Bondage / Discipline" (BD) and "Sado-masochism" (SM),

O.k. so this thread is about tying people up and hitting them, versus torturing them and enjoying it?

I agree with the original poster: WHAT DOES this have to do with Muscle growth? Sounds like a tangential quirk of people who get turned on by big muscles, and incorporate that into their pre-existing urge for Bondage and discipline or sado-masochism.

Kind of like saying that people who like sweets are into binging and purging -- not really directly related at all.

[Yachirobi]

I'm having trouble understanding why some of you don't see how these two fetishes can combine. ALL fetishes and kinks and what-not can be combined in someone's mind. It's all a matter of whatever the source of the fetish is or what the symbolism means to the individual. For a small segement of muscle fetishists, they can't have a muscle-man in their sexual fantasies without that man abusing them (or being abused by them) in some fashion or other. For another segment, they can't fantasize about big muscle men without also fantasizing about body hair, or cross-dressing, or global economic pan-theism in the 19th century.

What I'm saying is that everyone has different kinks, and for some those kinks aren't mutually exclusive. THIS IS OKAY. If you end up reading something and don't like it, stop reading it. Better yet, write your own stories and compete with the stuff you don't like. If you really think something is inappropriate here then tell Flexodus or, if you're brave, tell the author in a polite PM that you're offended. There are lots of stories on here that I've read a little way into only to hit the back button in disgust. Not everything is going to be to your liking but please try to respect those people who have the courage to post stories. I have NEVER been able to write a fetish tale to completion and I accept that I will possibly never do so. That's not something I can do. But I have mad respect for those who do, even those who post things that I don't like or even find disgusting.