Character development

[Weasel]

First of, I enjoy most of the stories on the board, I'm grateful for all the writers that share their work. This is just general thoughts that may go nowhere but here they come.

1. One thing that bugs me is that there's often a sentence that tell us precisely if the character is straight or gay. I believe this closes some doors for character development. And also, it burns out reader curiosity. Characters should be defined by their actions. And we are beyond that. gay or straight we don't care. it's all about muscle.

2. Another point that I find important is to know what to do with your characters. The guy grows and then what? I hate when the stories promises some interesting plots and end with a "they have sex forever and that's it". Sex should be a bonus, not the main story.

3. And finally a more complicated subject. Family stories. The bros stories are so confined in the rule "the youngest outgrows his older brother" that it feels like I'm reading the same story over and over. And for poor older brother, it ends always bad.

3.1 And father stories, I'm all about father regaining authority or some respect over his son, and reconnecting with him. But making this an insest thing. No. no no no. I guess my fantasies have some limits but relationship between a father and son shouldn't include sexual feelings. At most the son can envy father's body without crossing the line.

So tell me what do you think, am I a joy killer?

I'm still thinking about writing a story but haven't found the inspiration yet.

regards

[Proteus]

I don't think you're a kill-joy. You're just expressing your preferences. As is usually the case on here, the best way to make these points a reality is to get around to writing them.

[Rarity]

1) It is sometimes necessary as it sets the tone for the interactions. A guy hugging another guy can be read in several different ways. If you know the guy is gay, and he's hugging some good looking guy, you're going to automatically assume "they're BF/BF or he totally wants in his pants." Which just means the writer has to write less and just get on to the naughty and fun bits.

That's fine and all, but it's also boring. It's OK and not OK depending on the type of story. Whatever way they wanna write their own story is fine. It is their story, after all.

2) Yes. Pls. I try to do this by not glorifying the muscle growth. With bigness comes equally big problems. You can't be a giant and live in peace. Unless, you know, you're just writing a fap story. Then you can do whatever you want with your characters. I can't bring myself to write simple fap stories so I can't go down that path. SAD LIFE FOR LAZY/MEH WRITERS LIKE MYSELF AAAAAAAAA

3) That's why I avoid any family oriented story. It usually offers nothing new. And I'd rather not read a sad-ending/bad-ending story. I can understand if the story is reasonable and has some "realistic" reactions, but half the time it's just "I HATE YOU FOR SOME REASON THAT I SHOULD BE OVER BY NOW AND I AM AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE I AM HUGER THAN YOU! THAT'S HOW IT WORKS!" Again, that's fine to write like that but. Um. It's not the kind of writing I like. I don't write much better than that kind of thing anyway. /sojudgementalomgstahp

3.1) It just seems to be the theme in MOST of the father/son stories.



And no, you're not being a kill-joy. Some people like story with substance beyond the normal fap story. Either kind of story is fine and erotica is erotica irregardless. SOMEONE'S going to enjoy it, at least.

[tekuno]

Originally Posted by Weasel

3. And finally a more complicated subject. Family stories. The bros stories are so confined in the rule "the youngest outgrows his older brother" that it feels like I'm reading the same story over and over. And for poor older brother, it ends always bad.

I usually try to avoid posting links to things I've written, but this isn't always true.

[Shahrazad2]

Originally Posted by Weasel

First of, I enjoy most of the stories on the board, I'm grateful for all the writers that share their work. This is just general thoughts that may go nowhere but here they come.

1. One thing that bugs me is that there's often a sentence that tell us precisely if the character is straight or gay. I believe this closes some doors for character development. And also, it burns out reader curiosity. Characters should be defined by their actions. And we are beyond that. gay or straight we don't care. it's all about muscle.

2. Another point that I find important is to know what to do with your characters. The guy grows and then what? I hate when the stories promises some interesting plots and end with a "they have sex forever and that's it". Sex should be a bonus, not the main story.

3. And finally a more complicated subject. Family stories. The bros stories are so confined in the rule "the youngest outgrows his older brother" that it feels like I'm reading the same story over and over. And for poor older brother, it ends always bad.

3.1 And father stories, I'm all about father regaining authority or some respect over his son, and reconnecting with him. But making this an insest thing. No. no no no. I guess my fantasies have some limits but relationship between a father and son shouldn't include sexual feelings. At most the son can envy father's body without crossing the line.

So tell me what do you think, am I a joy killer?

I'm still thinking about writing a story but haven't found the inspiration yet.

regards

1. In response to your first point, I'm not quite so opposed to sexuality statements... like it or not, they're fairly common in life, even if those statements are not always accurate ("Straight" guys who advertize for gay sex on craigslist, for instance, or gay-for-pay guys, or college girls who make out with other girls in hopes of attracting male attention, or straight ladies who would do Angelina Jolie). You are correct in saying that there's more than a sexual dichotomy out there, though, and bisexual, pansexual, and even asexual as well as other kinds of characters can be just as attractive in stories. Still, character development can be more than simply down to sexuality... I think one of the most important (and sometimes disappointing) things we learn as we come aware of sexuality is that even if two people are attracted to people of each other's sex, they're not necessarily attracted to each other. Also, sometimes they start off being unattracted, but grow more affectionate over time as they learn about each other. Still, it bears noting that as this forum is focused on the growth of male muscle, there is a predisposition towards outwards and immediate attraction, overt and uncomplicated sexuality, and satisfaction of desires. I do agree that it is frustrating that so many stories are so simplistic, though.

2. I absolutely agree with this point... you hit the nail on the head. Endless sex can be impressive, but it's also boring. Romances don't have the couple in endless bliss the entire time, and porn doesn't start with the characters getting off... it has the be built up and explored.

3. I agree that younger brothers growing and bullying older brothers is passe' and done to death. I'd much rather read something more enticing and interesting.

3.1. I think that if a father has to regain respect from his son, I've already lost interest. Respect isn't earned by muscle or size... it's earned by actions. Reconnecting only works if there is some valid reason to reconnect... like the father didn't know he had a son to begin with, or something. I have to admit, I kinda like incest, but there has to be a sense that the two characters are equally attracted to each other (through character development), or that the growing one is just out of control with his sexuality as his hormones increase, so he's past caring who gets him off (or be so caught up in getting off he isn't aware of the presence of anyone else). Some possible ideas for father-son stuff I'd be interested in would be amnesia (the growing character loses his memory and thinks of the family member as someone he just met, even if their connection is explained to him), clones (a clone, technically, isn't the same person whose DNA he shares), stepfamilies, adopted families, long-lost family members, twins (the father has a muscular identical twin who spends time with the son), mind control (someone has used mind control to increase the father's or son's devotion to exercise, but this shifts some of their relationships with their family around as well), reanimation (father or son dies, and the other turns to necromancy or frankenstein procedures or some other paranormal agents to bring him back to life... but he acts differently), and so forth. Yeah, those touch on (or cross) several lines, but honestly, they're also more intriguing for a number of reasons. I do agree that a father who starts being attracted to his son or a son who is attracted to his father with no other extenuating circumstances is the least appealing and most repulsive situation to me, but I think once one takes even one small step back from that, there's more leeway. That's just me, of course, and I fully admit I have no attraction to my father at all, even from pictures of him when he was younger and in better shape, nor have I actually personally met anyone who was attracted to his father or vice versa. I think the Father-Son relationship idea is largely a remnant of filial piety and paternal pride... I can remember thinking my dad was the biggest, strongest person I knew and wanting to be like him as a kid, and even wrestling with him (which was more like child-me climbing over him and getting pinned with great care by my dad). Also, there's the "daddy/papi" thing... where an attraction to older men (and vice versa) is likened to a father-son relationship, either by lies (when visiting areas not known for friendliness towards gay relationships, by passing off as a father and son or uncle and nephew) or by closeness. I do note that I do find some men who are married or fathers to be attractive somehow, if only from the triumph of winning them over to the "dark side" or the note that they're healthy and fertile and capable of love (and come with a family).

You're not a buzzkill... if we all like the same kinds of stories, there probably wouldn't be an Evolution Forum, probably because we'd all like some other, more mainstream scenarios.

I've found that inspiration can come from your life... maybe go through your day and look around and think about what might be hot if a guy (including yourself) started to grow more muscular, and then figure out how that might happen.

[Jaypat]

Stories posted here are not the same as stories posted on a writing forum. I don’t want to be indelicate, but the reason most people come to this site is to rub one out. That’s their primary interest—and mine. A lot of the authors who post here have never taken a creative writing course, nor are they interested in doing so. They’re just people with a muscle growth fetish who come here to share fantasies with others who have the same fetish.

You’re not going to convince anyone, who isn’t already interested, in improving their writing skills.

So most of the writing is going to be very steam-of-consciousness free-style. Most plots are going to be spotty at best and most characters will be two dimensional stereotypes. The primary purpose of fiction here is to sexually arouse. If it can achieve this, it’s a success. If you’re looking for a more literary experience, you’re better off going to Barnes & Noble.
I guarantee most people don’t outline and probably don’t even review what they write before they post it. Is this bad? Not necessarily.

On this forum I have read stories with interesting plots, engaging descriptions and good characters that have entirely failed to arouse me. And I have read stories by authors who are barely literate, stories filled with spelling, punctuation, and grammatical errors that would embarrass a fifth grader, and yet somehow I’m so turned on I can’t make it half way through without busting a nut. I don’t think I have to tell you which story I go back and read again.

Writing is an art, and like most arts, it delights in breaking the rules. Sometimes things that are roughhewn can be amazing, and sometimes things that are refined will put you to sleep. It completely depends on the writer. If there’s talent, it will shine past the punctuation and spelling mistakes. A talented writer can take well-worn stereotypes and breathe new life into them. He can take story elements you typically don’t like and give them a new spin.

Most writers are under the impression that there is nothing wrong with their writing and if you don’t like it, it’s really your problem. And in this venue, they are correct.

And we all have different tastes, different things that entertain and arouse us.

What you’re really looking for are writers whom you find more talented and engaging. Well, aren’t we all? They are out there and there are plenty right here on the Evolution Forum. But when you come to this board you have to shift through the sand and look for that gold nugget. Because you’re not going to turn the sand into gold, no matter how many well intentioned posts you make.

[RealBBer]

I think the issue is a greater one. People often confuse documenting the details of their fantasies with true "fantasy writing."

The former ? just writing down your fantasy*? produces stories that are often rather phorensic and flat, and they do not engage us in spite of the ideas being so robust.

A good story helps us relate and understand the incidents through empathy with characters. This often means certain details that may thrill the writer are extraneous (read: distracting) for the reader. A good story is a good story, regardless of whether it is fantastical or not.

On these boards, people too often record their fantasies, and then mislabel them "a story." Telling us your fantasies ? even with narrative structure and chronological detail ? is NOT the same thing as telling a story.

Too many people write their fantasies, and too few are fantasy writers.