Why teens?

[wolfotehmoon]

Originally Posted by Xyggurat

You seem to have missed the fundamental point of this forum, which is the posting and reading of stories dedicated to the aforementioned #2. People went apeshit over the title of your piece because it was intentionally inappropriate, and were nonplussed about the content because it was wildly off-topic.

This is, whether you like it or not, a site dedicated to the entertainment of a certain segment of the population. Not, as you seem to think, the justification of that entertainment to you.

-X-

No one's looking for justification. However, did you know that some soccer fans go out and riot after games? Who knew some people stayed dedicated to their favorite entertainment by being destructive asses and breaking the law?

[HSMuscleBoy]

Originally Posted by wolfotehmoon

No one's looking for justification. However, did you know that some soccer fans go out and riot after games? Who knew some people stayed dedicated to their favorite entertainment by being destructive asses and breaking the law?

Did you know that your an ass hole?

[Rowan]

Man, I had a hand in starting this firestorm so I'm going to attempt cleaning it up. Here's me clarifying my end of it:

Wolfotehmoon, I don't think "antics" referred to your arguments or contributions, but rather post #18, which seemed to serve no purpose *but* to incite a fight. I was confused about why you would post it, not the reasoning *behind* the post, because the reasoning *behind* the post should have been stated at the time of the comment, not explained after you're questioned about it. Your comment in post #7 was insightful and mature, so...confusion.

I also think that some thread drift in any topic should be expected on a forum with seventeen thousand members, and in my opinion the thread drift that happened here wasn't particularly bad. Two young people talking about what, for them, is the not-so-distant past would explain pretty well why they in particular like teen stories. The thread as a whole was not completely mature, but fairly mature, and fairly mature is pretty harmless most of the time.

But HSMuscleBoy telling people to ignore another poster while insulting him isn't ignoring, it's basically identical to the comment in post #18. So there are no angels on either side of this.

That includes me, because I never should have asked that question in public--I should have tried for it in a PM if at all. Lately I don't understand a great deal of what goes on in the forum, and I find myself wondering how things work in this new atmosphere.

I apologize for hijacking the thread. And I'm sorry that people are pissed off and genuinely hurt.

[OnyxFaith]

Originally Posted by wolfotehmoon

No one's looking for justification. However, did you know that some soccer fans go out and riot after games? Who knew some people stayed dedicated to their favorite entertainment by being destructive asses and breaking the law?

As far we know, nobody here *is* breaking the law - we're an online community. And what about those soccer fans who *don't* go out and riot after a game? Should they have soccer banned?

[wolfotehmoon]

Maybe that was a bit too much, but the fact of the matter is that a LOT of the stories here would definitely get you in trouble. And, no, what I meant was some soccer fans use soccer as an excuse to do stupid things. Likewise, some people take this site's open-mindedness and love of seeing the little guy get big and use it as an excuse to (badly) write porn using underage characters. Neither of the latter things are necessary for the enjoyment of the former things, and are actually detrimental to the image of ALL those taking part.

[rextorres]

Alright, you guys, before I begin, let me restate the original question: "So let me ask those of you who've posted stories here before: Why is it that so many of the protagonists in growth stories are teens? Is it what turns you on or is it something else? Can you write more easily about them? Do you do it because it's what's popular? Or is it something else altogether?" Although I had already answered this question earlier, I had thought about it, and I wanted to expand on my answer a little bit.

As one of VERY FEW published authors on this forum (My book, "Myst, Titan and the Outcasts" is available on amazon.com and on Barnes & Noble's website) and the author of what is probably the single longest muscle boy story ever written (the story titled "Tristan: My big little brother", 270 pages long, written in 2004), I wanted to take this opportunity and elaborate on my response to Yachirobi's question.

I think so many protagonists in muscle growth stories are teenagers because it makes the story so much more dramatic. A teenage boy, between the ages of 13 and 15 is already going through the greatest changes in his life, and most boys will undergo some form of growth spurt during that period of time as it is! It makes the story more dramatic when the teen has a type of growth spurt where he not only grows much taller than he was before, but he gains a considerable amount of muscle as well! Most teenage boys would dream of becoming big and strong at one point, and the changes which would occur between the ages of 13 and 16 would be far more noticeable than, let's say, the ages of 30 and 33. I've seen teenage boys sprout six inches in height in one year, so those changes are VERY dramatic! Usually, males don't change so much, going from year-to-year, after the age of 21, so you can honestly say that they will experience their most profound physical changes during their teenage years. That's what makes it so much fun to add a little extra muscle growth to their growth spurts.

Some authors would add some age progression in there, which would have the same effect: It makes the story more dramatic. It is far more dramatic to age a teen from 14 to 34 then it is to age a 30 year-old man to 40. A 14 year-old boy looks a LOT different from the time he was a teen, compared to when he ages and becomes a 34 year-old man! It adds drama and makes the story more interesting to read.

Well, there you have it... The author's view!

[HSMuscleBoy]

Originally Posted by wolfotehmoon

Maybe that was a bit too much, but the fact of the matter is that a LOT of the stories here would definitely get you in trouble. And, no, what I meant was some soccer fans use soccer as an excuse to do stupid things. Likewise, some people take this site's open-mindedness and love of seeing the little guy get big and use it as an excuse to (badly) write porn using underage characters. Neither of the latter things are necessary for the enjoyment of the former things, and are actually detrimental to the image of ALL those taking part.

None of these stories could get us into trouble, but thanks for telling us there badly written. Way to support the community

[OnyxFaith]

Originally Posted by wolfotehmoon

Maybe that was a bit too much, but the fact of the matter is that a LOT of the stories here would definitely get you in trouble.

Based on what I know, things have been changing a lot recently - I believe pictures and videos featuring real kids is illegal, as well as images indistinguishable from real images. The way I understand it, everything else is just extremely controversial, taboo, and could potentially damage one's career for those reasons. Taboo is different from illegal. One is a social mores, the other is law. While the two often coincide, they also often do not.

[Xyggurat]

I'm not hugely convinced that self-publishing a story makes one's opinions more valid than anyone else's. Even published authors can make some pretty huge blunders (for example, L.E. Modesitt gets paid to write the same story over and over, and it hasn't been even passably good since the second or third iteration, which is about when I caught on.)

I don't disagree, Wolf, that there's a lot on this forum that I find to be in poor taste. I just don't see the point in discussing the morality of sexual fantasies on a forum dedicated to their enaction, or especially in getting upset when people go right back into indulging their fantasies when someone tries to raise a thought-provoking and largely unwelcome discussion.

Sexuality and rationality are oft at odds.

-X-

[musclemike85]

Originally Posted by wolfotehmoon

Maybe that was a bit too much, but the fact of the matter is that a LOT of the stories here would definitely get you in trouble. And, no, what I meant was some soccer fans use soccer as an excuse to do stupid things. Likewise, some people take this site's open-mindedness and love of seeing the little guy get big and use it as an excuse to (badly) write porn using underage characters. Neither of the latter things are necessary for the enjoyment of the former things, and are actually detrimental to the image of ALL those taking part.

I agree, except technically they cant get you in trouble. Bush tried to outlaw it, but it was overturned by the SCOTUS. Basically, if you're writing a story or creating a computer image about kids that don't exist, it cant be child porn because its not really involving a "real" child.

Which is more than likely the reason that those pictures of kids heads on bodybuilders threads got taken down; they weren't sexual in nature initially, but plenty of people sexualized them.

In the end, I usually skip stories where they involve <15 year olds involved. I was a Criminal Justice major in college and did several research papers and projects on child abuse / molestation, especially on the 'net, which is why I'm pretty zero-tolerance about it.

[Wild]

I once wrote a muscle growth story involving a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

I'm the worst thing /to ever exist/.

[Spooky]

Originally Posted by Wild

I once wrote a muscle growth story involving a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

Best fucking thing ever.

[Spooky]

Originally Posted by Xyggurat

This is, whether you like it or not, a site dedicated to the entertainment of a certain segment of the population. Not, as you seem to think, the justification of that entertainment to you.

-X-

You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding me, Xyggurat. I'm getting the impression that you generally are not the biggest fan of my posts.

I disagree about my piece, as I know that you don't understand what I was attempting to do with the piece. And I know you don't understand, and your ideas about it are mislead, because you think it was something moral. A story about ethics. It was not.

You said: Not, as you seem to think, the justification of that entertainment to you. I don't know where you are getting that from. Why would I want to justify something I myself enjoy?

And, in addition, if there is room on this forum for pedophiles and incestuous stories, I'm sure there is room on this forum for a theorist or two, despite your deep annoyance.

[Spooky]

Originally Posted by Xyggurat

I don't disagree, Wolf, that there's a lot on this forum that I find to be in poor taste. I just don't see the point in discussing the morality of sexual fantasies on a forum dedicated to their enaction, or especially in getting upset when people go right back into indulging their fantasies when someone tries to raise a thought-provoking and largely unwelcome discussion.

Sexuality and rationality are oft at odds.

-X-

Once again, targeted at me.

Maybe you are misunderstanding something that I enjoy. I have a background in sociology, queer and gender theory. I enjoy and think it is quite important to understand sexuality in all its forms, and to try to see how it works in your life as well as in others. In that, I have made no moral claims as to whether MMG is right or wrong on this forum anywhere, and it is unfortunate that you believe that. Again, why would I come on a forum and preach to people about something that my boyfriend and I share and enjoy?

The only moral judgments I have made have been on those aspects of the forum that you yourself termed as being in "bad taste". Especially those things which start to push the social/legal boundaries that are hosted on this forum.

I think it is unfortunate that the ability to think, understand, and explain sexuality is taken in an ethical light. If you have interpreted my posts in that way, again I am sorry, but I don't think it is especially a fault of my own. If someone takes a discussion about sexuality and deems it to be moral, then, what can I do?

[Yachirobi]

Originally Posted by Wild

I once wrote a muscle growth story involving a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

I'm the worst thing /to ever exist/.

No, you're a furry. Or, in this case, a scalie (I didn't make up the terms so don't blame me.) You should post it some time if you haven't already for shits and giggles.

[Wild]

Ahhh. I'm no scaley. =P Only lizard that remotely interested me that I can think of easily is Raphael.

And if I did post it, I'd have to improve it.