Attention Hugely Muscled Guys.....

[anpuZA]

Ha, yes well since you're 3 years older than I.R. (stoopid weesil!) it goes to show that old fashioned aint always the same everywhere. But that's personalities for you - and star signs if ur into that. People are different, luckily you appreciate that, and besides we do get a bit deeper the older we get... at least some of us do

[growbigger]

Dude you are sooooo right, am a 278lb powerlifter/bodybuilder type in metro DC area. Work out at Gold and see lots of guys I would like to know more, but getting them to talk or more is near impossible (lol unless I were to kidnap one or two -- not there yet.)

I notice guys watching while I work out and of course in the locker room, but when I look back, they look away. I'm told smaller guys think bigger guys are either stuck up or only into guys as big as themsevles -- both are not true.

Some smaller weaker guys will not believe this post, but its as hard for us big guys as it is for them sometimes.

Tony

[hulkoutlvr]

thank you for saying that, growbigger. Renews my faith that perhaps I might find what I'm looking for someday

[arpeejay]

Originally Posted by hulkoutlvr

thank you for saying that, growbigger. Renews my faith that perhaps I might find what I'm looking for someday

Hulkoutlvr, I've come up with a new plan. Tell me what you think:

(1) Clone myself;

(2) Move clone to DC -- or Los Angeles;

(3) Better yet, TWO clones, one to DC, one to LA.

Good plan?

xoox

Richard

[hulkoutlvr]

Richard,

Sounds like a plan. I'd certainly take your clone; if you could guarantee that the clone would be as sweet and smart as you are

[Mad Dog]

Originally Posted by growbigger

Dude you are sooooo right, am a 278lb powerlifter/bodybuilder type in metro DC area. Work out at Gold and see lots of guys I would like to know more, but getting them to talk or more is near impossible (lol unless I were to kidnap one or two -- not there yet.)

I notice guys watching while I work out and of course in the locker room, but when I look back, they look away. I'm told smaller guys think bigger guys are either stuck up or only into guys as big as themsevles -- both are not true.

Some smaller weaker guys will not believe this post, but its as hard for us big guys as it is for them sometimes.

Tony

Bringing the tiny skinny guy perspective to this, if I were in that situation, I think I'd be turning away because I'd feel like I was being rude if I looked, or that you didn't like the attention from another guy.

[Lifter73]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

Hulkoutlvr, I've come up with a new plan. Tell me what you think:

(1) Clone myself;

(2) Move clone to DC -- or Los Angeles;

(3) Better yet, TWO clones, one to DC, one to LA.

Good plan?

xoox

Richard

Hey, I want in on this!

How about I create a couple of clones and we can all do some clone swapping, RP, Hulkout, and I. The possibilities are ENDLESS!

D

[arpeejay]

Originally Posted by Lifter73

Hey, I want in on this!

How about I create a couple of clones and we can all do some clone swapping, RP, Hulkout, and I. The possibilities are ENDLESS!

D

I think you just invented clone porn, D! Good job!

xoxo

Richard

[Stoneman]

This is going to sound kinda harsh, but. Are we actually entertaining the notion of how hard life is for big well-built muscular guys? Is this actually what we're doing here?

Look: we're allowed to be insecure because we're small, weak and ugly. What's your excuse? If you want to meet someone, go up to them and say hello.

Now, if you want to talk about how it's hard to get people to overlook your body and treat you like a person and collection of body parts, then I would be a little more understanding. But seriously. This is like listening to a supermodel complain about how hard it is to meet men.

It's hard for everybody. That's life.

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by Stoneman

This is going to sound kinda harsh, but. Are we actually entertaining the notion of how hard life is for big well-built muscular guys? Is this actually what we're doing here?

Look: we're allowed to be insecure because we're small, weak and ugly. What's your excuse? If you want to meet someone, go up to them and say hello.

Now, if you want to talk about how it's hard to get people to overlook your body and treat you like a person and collection of body parts, then I would be a little more understanding. But seriously. This is like listening to a supermodel complain about how hard it is to meet men.

It's hard for everybody. That's life.

"Don't hate me because I'm beatiful" [bats eyelashes]

...And, by the way, HOW beautiful do you think I am? Really?

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"Gosh Mrs. Astor, your servant problems are REALLY tough! It's getting so you can't hardly find anyone to exploit any more!"

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"Tell me again, Brad, about your and Angelina's problems: is it the 5 houses, the 20 kids, the nannies, the bodyguards...? Gosh, you sure have a hard life! I'll Bet you hardly can enjoy yourself at all those awards shows!"

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And you over there, Studley! Yes, you, you great big hyper-masculine hunk of beef, how are you? Did you get your daily quota of abject worshippers at your feet tonight at the bars? You DIDN'T!!! Horrors!! Better so pump up some more!! You don't want to get out of practice ignoring people! Course, they have to NOTICE YOU first!
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[hulkoutlvr]

I think it's kind of cool that some of these big guys, whom I happen to look up to, are willing to admit to having the same types of dating problems that I have as a little shit. It makes me feel as though I have more in common with them.

Now, there is a vast difference between being a little guy and being "small, weak and ugly". Being a small person has nothing to do with physical size. I have seen musclegods who were "small" people because of the kind of person they are. Weak is a state of mind. I probably couldn't toss around a 300 pound barbell like some of these guys, but I have survived 12 brain surgeries. How many "weak" people could do that?

As for ugly, well, that's a completely different animal altogether. I must admit freely that I am not George Clooney. And yes, if looks are all that matter to a guy, I'm probably not going to get very far (on a scale of 1 to 10, giving me a 7 would be generous). However, if a guy wants to spend more than five minutes with me, he'll begin to see there is more to me than meets the eye, as there is to all of us.

Stoneman, you're an intelligent guy. I've read your posts. Turn that intelligence to your advantage. But don't hate on the big guys. Number one, it's a bit hypocritical, because let's face it, a lust for big muscles is what brings most of us here to begin with. Number 2, I've chatted with a number of these big guys, and you know what I've found? They're big Teddy Bears, and can end up being great friends.

Originally Posted by Stoneman

This is going to sound kinda harsh, but. Are we actually entertaining the notion of how hard life is for big well-built muscular guys? Is this actually what we're doing here?

Look: we're allowed to be insecure because we're small, weak and ugly. What's your excuse? If you want to meet someone, go up to them and say hello.

Now, if you want to talk about how it's hard to get people to overlook your body and treat you like a person and collection of body parts, then I would be a little more understanding. But seriously. This is like listening to a supermodel complain about how hard it is to meet men.

It's hard for everybody. That's life.

[arpeejay]

Originally Posted by Stoneman

This is going to sound kinda harsh, but. Are we actually entertaining the notion of how hard life is for big well-built muscular guys? ... It's hard for everybody. That's life.

I don't think that's what is being said, Stoneman. The original question, directed to big guys, was, "what has your experience been?" Which resulted in a lot of discussion from not-as-big guys and a little bit of discussion from big guys, including the fact that sometimes people behave sort of oddly around big guys. Surprise! :-)

I think everyone gets to be insecure, even supermodels. The question is whether you own your insecurity as something you have to deal with or treat it as something society imposes upon you. As far as I can tell, no one is saying "boo hoo, my life is so hard because I'm huge and muscular." (And just as well!)

xoxo

Richard

[Lifter73]

I REALLY like RP and Hulkoutlvr! They really do have a head on their shoulders and and I can tell that they have one big huge muscle....the heart!

I was about to reply to Stoneman, but I couldn't have said it better than both Hulkout and RP.

In any case, it is funny because I happen to remember on one of those daytime talk shows (which I am NO big fan of,) I happen to hear the topic: "Beautiful and Dateless". And on the show they had all of these BEAUTIFUL people, one of them being Catherine Oxenberg, on the panel and they talked about how they spent most of their weekends at home, reading a book, etc etc, and how a lot of them simply could not get dates because a lot of guys simply were afraid to approach them, and whenever they went to approach guys it never turned out well.

I wish I did watch the rest of the show as it would have been interested to hear the mindsets of the behaviors.

And yes, Catherine Oxenberg was stunning.....

D

[hulkoutlvr]

I haven't seen Catherine since her Dynasty days! Didn't she marry royalty at one point?

[arpeejay]

Originally Posted by hulkoutlvr

I haven't seen Catherine since her Dynasty days! Didn't she marry royalty at one point?

Actually, SHE is the royal; her mother was / is HRH Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia. She's married to royalty of a different sort, namely the super hunky Casper Van Dien! :-)

xoxo

Richard

[wolfotehmoon]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

I don't think that's what is being said, Stoneman. The original question, directed to big guys, was, "what has your experience been?" Which resulted in a lot of discussion from not-as-big guys and a little bit of discussion from big guys, including the fact that sometimes people behave sort of oddly around big guys. Surprise! :-)

I think everyone gets to be insecure, even supermodels. The question is whether you own your insecurity as something you have to deal with or treat it as something society imposes upon you. As far as I can tell, no one is saying "boo hoo, my life is so hard because I'm huge and muscular." (And just as well!)

xoxo

Richard

I wouldn't say insecurity so much as a "Woe is me, why is this happening to me," sorta mentality, and I'm gonna have to agree with Stoneman... If you're insecure, then that's one thing, but if you're sure of yourself, like people on here have been saying, this comes off as an attention-grab. Which might indicate insecurity? Oh god paradox @_@

[arpeejay]

Let's be perfectly, Wolf:

I'm insecure and I like attention. I always have been, I always will be.

If you don't like, lump it.

R

[wolfotehmoon]

Wasn't talking about you. ;3 I don't have a problem giving you attention. x3 Eh, I'm being an ass, I'll stop. I never said I wasn't insecure, though that probably just proves my point. >>

[DragoniteXY]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

Actually, SHE is the royal; her mother was / is HRH Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia. She's married to royalty of a different sort, namely the super hunky Casper Van Dien! :-)

xoxo

Richard

Yup , met her mother once during a fund-raising event, and then I knew where she got her looks from .


Back on track:

190cm/120kg here.

I usually had two types of experiences - rejection with various excuses like 'you're too big', 'big muscles are just gross!', 'can't handle you in bed', 'you're probably full of steroids' and my favorite 'I don't think you're BF material'; and guys going completely ga-ga-droll-strike-me-a-pose which is just the other end of the scale.

But hey, we live in a world filled with stereotypes... how many movies and TV shows had stereotypical big-dumb-jocks or, even worse, huge-super dumb-bodybuilders as guest stars who usually just flex and look confused all the time?

So, people tend NOT to see beyond muscles and treat you like an object. Mind you, while I sometimes do like being treated like an object in bed, outside of it I prefer to have normal conversation... I once had a boyfriend who was a bodybuilder and we broke up a few month later with him telling me that he 'was scared of me being smart'...

I probably wanted to say more, but it's 4:05 AM here so I'm going to bed. Good night!

[ELWOLF O]

im not sure if 220 pounds 5'7" or 8 ish counts at all as big but i feel its hard to find a guy usualy i am steriotyped and it makes me feel crapy cuz im not an angry guy at all and i just wanna be with some one nice that will accept the fact i like to build.

sorry for my bad spelling n grammer guse i fit the stupid part of the steriptyp :[ lol oh i remember even being told onec by some one that they were afraid to aproach me but now that said person knows me we are good friends...

[hulkoutlvr]

I understand about stereotypes. People think of me, because of my height and frame, as the stereotypical "cute little gay guy". To that end, they assume I am effeminate, afraid of bugs, all the stereotypical gay things that people associate.

The truth is, sometimes I'm effeminate, sometimes I'm masculine, depending on what situation I'm in. Yes, I like to sing and knit and cook and all those things. But I also like to shoot, go tromping around in the woods, hang with rednecks, chug a good beer every now and then. Stereotypes should not be used to define someone, because we all don't fit the stereotypes. In fact, we rarely do. I would love find someone (preferably he would be big and strong, lol) who appreciates me and the same, finer things in life that I do. I would love to find a guy I could lift with, watch films with, drink wine with, and in general be happy with. If any of you are interested in that kind of thing, or know someone who is, please let me know

The upside of the stereotype thing. . . I get credit for being a waaaay better hair dresser and make up artist than I actually am, lol.

Originally Posted by ELWOLF O

im not sure if 220 pounds 5'7" or 8 ish counts at all as big but i feel its hard to find a guy usualy i am steriotyped and it makes me feel crapy cuz im not an angry guy at all and i just wanna be with some one nice that will accept the fact i like to build.

sorry for my bad spelling n grammer guse i fit the stupid part of the steriptyp :[ lol oh i remember even being told onec by some one that they were afraid to aproach me but now that said person knows me we are good friends...

[ELWOLF O]

omg hehe i have a mohawk well i didnt completly shave my sides but its close u could do my hair :P but yeah would be cool to find some one i could lift with n stuff and wouldnt mind me getting massive cuz i plan too ive gotten alot bigger then i onec was but i dont like how people judge me befor they know me :]

[condemned88]

Originally Posted by DragoniteXY

Yup , met her mother once during a fund-raising event, and then I knew where she got her looks from .


he 'was scared of me being smart'...

Wow, what a numbnutz. If I ever had a chance to go out with a big guy. I'd HOPE he'd be smart, not a brainiac. But not a "dumb jock" type guy.

[DragoniteXY]

Originally Posted by hulkoutlvr

I understand about stereotypes. People think of me, because of my height and frame, as the stereotypical "cute little gay guy". To that end, they assume I am effeminate, afraid of bugs, all the stereotypical gay things that people associate.

The truth is, sometimes I'm effeminate, sometimes I'm masculine, depending on what situation I'm in. Yes, I like to sing and knit and cook and all those things. But I also like to shoot, go tromping around in the woods, hang with rednecks, chug a good beer every now and then. Stereotypes should not be used to define someone, because we all don't fit the stereotypes.

Ditto, on the other end of the scale...


I have a fish tank and aquariums are a hobby of mine - Wow, that's so not masculine dude, you should get a rottweiler or something.

I enjoy reading SF - Man, you know how to read!?

But, on the other hand, I really am afraid of bugs! (just mantises, cockroaches and especially those huge hairy butterflies, they just freak me out!)

[arpeejay]

And just where are YOUR pix, Mr. Huge Tall DragoniteXY?

<< panting >>

Richard

[b.spencer]

The 'dumb-jock' stereotype. You should see the looks on a lot of faces -- gay, straight, male, female, doesn't matter -- when they find out I am working on my PhD. It is like they are looking for Rod Serling to step out out from behind a door and say "Welcome to the Twilight Zone."

I mean, it can be funny sometimes. Like the guy on campus just before classes started who asked me if I was playing for 'our team' and looked like he'd been punched when I told him why I was there.

BUT, when I have a date look me dead in the eyes after a nice dinner and say, "You are nothing like I expected." When I asked what he meant, the guy replied, "Well, you can carry on an intelligent conversation." Let's just say there was not a second date after that.

[DragoniteXY]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

And just where are YOUR pix, Mr. Huge Tall DragoniteXY?

<< panting >>

Richard

Since I'm, after 15 days of round-the-clock translation work, just too lazy to search my pics on the forum - here they are:

(these are just some old pics, too tired to search the hard drives for new ones!)

http://img197.imageshack.us/i/154869...36f7531b3.jpg/

http://img170.imageshack.us/i/gr6n.jpg/

http://img136.imageshack.us/i/me2l.jpg/

[hulkoutlvr]

just to let you know, Dragon, you have a beautiful body! I love your thick legs and shoulders!

[arpeejay]

I agree with Hulkoutlvr: Great pix, Dragon!

xoxo

Richard

[DragoniteXY]

Thanks guys .

Originally Posted by b.spencer

BUT, when I have a date look me dead in the eyes after a nice dinner and say, "You are nothing like I expected." When I asked what he meant, the guy replied, "Well, you can carry on an intelligent conversation." Let's just say there was not a second date after that.

HA HA, EXACTLY!

I was ditched on a few dates under suspicion that I was: 1. not gay and 2. too violent (due to my looks).

[Mad Dog]

Wow, there's a lot of dumb motherfuckers out there.

[Mdlftr]

Originally Posted by b.spencer

The 'dumb-jock' stereotype. You should see the looks on a lot of faces -- gay, straight, male, female, doesn't matter -- when they find out I am working on my PhD. It is like they are looking for Rod Serling to step out out from behind a door and say "Welcome to the Twilight Zone."

I mean, it can be funny sometimes. Like the guy on campus just before classes started who asked me if I was playing for 'our team' and looked like he'd been punched when I told him why I was there.

BUT, when I have a date look me dead in the eyes after a nice dinner and say, "You are nothing like I expected." When I asked what he meant, the guy replied, "Well, you can carry on an intelligent conversation." Let's just say there was not a second date after that.

To be fair, this happens with straight people too.

If a woman (or a man) is good looking and well dressed, the typical assumptions are:

1. "Legally Blonde -- speak slowly"
2. "Big and built = thick headed"
3. Any evidence of interest in fitness or working out (as evidenced by your body)= "No" interest in anything else.

In your scenario, you could take this at least two ways:
1. The guy went out with you originally because he thought you were physically attractive, and wasn't thinking about or expecting anything else;
2. The guy was now interested in you on two levels: intellectual AND physical.

Of course, the fact that he as much as called you an intelligent Neanderthal ("look, it talks and does tricks!") to your face, was not a good move on his part, if he had any expectation of more than dinner.

Dating's a b*tch, sometimes, but it makes for great stories!

Mdlftr, who has a few stories of his own....

[muscleaddict564]

I realise that this thread is quite old, but it's still on the first page, so I'll throw in my two cents anyway. I'm a skinny 19 year old, and although I have a boyfriend, here're my experiences. I don't understand why skinny guys would be intimidated. I've met, befriended, and am even dating a "huge" guy. Why would I be intimidated? It's not like he's going to crush my neck with his arms. I suppose he could, but that'd be rather spontaneous and would count as a brutal murder. Anyway, I treat muscular guys the same way I treat any guy. I take interest in their lives, try to help them with any problems they might have, and so on. And I honestly don't see where guys get off (no pun intended) on randomly feeling a guy's body. For one, it's against the law. I'm pretty sure it'd count as sexual harassment if done in an erotic matter. For two, the guy in question could probably punch the offender's teeth in if he wanted. For three, let's imagine this scenario: The offender is in a gay club on the dancefloor. The muscular guy in question goes onto the dancefloor, picks up the offender (who actually isn't an offender in this case; forgive my wording) and squeezes the guy in a bearhug until he collapses. I suppose he wouldn't like that, now would he? It's the same concept in my eyes.

Anyway, to make a long point short; I prefer muscular guys, but I don't stand there and gape at them like a moron. Anyone who automatically assumes that a muscular guy is 'dangerous' because he's stronger than the said person needs to get checked for mental disorders.

[Lifter73]

Originally Posted by muscleaddict564

I realise that this thread is quite old, but it's still on the first page, so I'll throw in my two cents anyway. I'm a skinny 19 year old, and although I have a boyfriend, here're my experiences. I don't understand why skinny guys would be intimidated. I've met, befriended, and am even dating a "huge" guy. Why would I be intimidated? It's not like he's going to crush my neck with his arms. I suppose he could, but that'd be rather spontaneous and would count as a brutal murder. Anyway, I treat muscular guys the same way I treat any guy. I take interest in their lives, try to help them with any problems they might have, and so on. And I honestly don't see where guys get off (no pun intended) on randomly feeling a guy's body. For one, it's against the law. I'm pretty sure it'd count as sexual harassment if done in an erotic matter. For two, the guy in question could probably punch the offender's teeth in if he wanted. For three, let's imagine this scenario: The offender is in a gay club on the dancefloor. The muscular guy in question goes onto the dancefloor, picks up the offender (who actually isn't an offender in this case; forgive my wording) and squeezes the guy in a bearhug until he collapses. I suppose he wouldn't like that, now would he? It's the same concept in my eyes.

Anyway, to make a long point short; I prefer muscular guys, but I don't stand there and gape at them like a moron. Anyone who automatically assumes that a muscular guy is 'dangerous' because he's stronger than the said person needs to get checked for mental disorders.

Great response. It may be an old post, but hey, we learn from all of them, and you make a lot of good sense.

[arpeejay]

I repeat (to our little Addict!)

"Stats, dammit, stats!"

:-)

If not his, YOURS. We can do the math!

xoxo

Richard

[muscleaddict564]

Originally Posted by arpeejay

I repeat (to our little Addict!)

"Stats, dammit, stats!"

:-)

If not his, YOURS. We can do the math!

xoxo

Richard

Lol, so sorry! I forgot all about that o.O
Well, he's about 5'11 and weighs about 190. That's just an estimate, of course :P I honestly have no clue about the measurments of his body parts, sorry. I can, however, tell you that his legs, abs, and biceps are probably the most developed body parts, though.

[PlugNPlay76]

Hi guys,

Ok I have to reply to this post because I am shocked at the huge and massive guys here, or, even more shocked at the "smaller" guys that don't approach them with the intention of starting a relationship.

In my years of being, I have found out, that, in cases of love, size is never really an issue, and, remember, huge and massive muscle guys need love too.

Now, one of my guilty pleasures is logging on to a site like gay.com, going into the "muscle" chat room, and chatting up the biggest, real muscle guy there.

Why do I do this? Well, one, I am looking for love, and I will admit, gay.com is not the best place to do that. Next is that, I like to see if I get a reaction and see if there is a huge or massive guy out there that would consider a real relationship with just a regular guy like myself. I find that it's usually a 60/40 split. Probably only about 40 percent of the huge muscle guys there at least aren't so stuck up on themselves to not want a regular guy.

Now, I'm not saying I'm that much of a smaller guy either at 5'11" and 220lbs., but, it's mostly fat and I'm loosing it slowly, or quickly if you consider 10lbs. in 3 weeks fast (I was 230), but anyway, I have found that of that 40 percent, some of them even want a regular guy to not only to show off to, love, and encourage them to get bigger, but, also, want to get that guy muscled up a little as well, which, I find really cool, because, that would mean that I could motivate them and encourage them in the gym... while they are encouraging me as well.

My goal really is to get down to about 170-180 with putting some muscle on. I wouldn't mind having 17inch biceps atleast myself and, for once, I'd like to have abs, lol.

Now, back to my point, I find that these huge muscle guys would more like a regular, or smaller guy to love possibly because, with having them being the ultimate fantasy for that guy, there's probably more of a chance for less dissapointment and that guy never cheating on them.

I think also for that 40 percent mentioned earlier, these are probably the type of guys ready to settle down with someone. I found in the bodybuilding world, there's alot of promiscuity that goes on, and probably, those 40 percent only want someone that is only for them.

Now, I also have an added advantage, and this is a tip for all you smaller or regular guys out there that want a huge, and massive muscle guy all for you forever, Do Your Homework. This not only means being obsessed with bodybulders, but, being obsessed with bodybuilding in general and study it. It's amazing how much you can learn, and even, how much you can even teach a possible, future significant other. This shows that huge and massive guy that you actually understand what they do to get that huge... and helps you encourage them to grow bigger and help them to grow as well. I find that these guys find brains and knowledge of the sport extremely sexy.

I have studied this for years, and am trying to actually find the right guy compatible with me in more than the fact that we want eachother physically, but, that we want eachother for what's inside our hearts and minds. Sometimes, as it is in all finding love situations, finding that right combo is hard.

In short, my entire point is to this is, if you really want a huge and massive muscle guy to love for life, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO APPROACH THEM, study the sport and all aspects, including roids even, and, always, always remember, this guy may seem superhuman on the outside, but, inside, he has a heart with alot of love, they have a brain, and is human just like you, needs love and affection just like you, and is a real person, not a fantasy even if physically, he is the guy of your wet dreams and fantasies.

Note to the massive muscle guys in this thread, DON'T BE SHY, or afraid to request the attention of a smaller, or regular guy for all of the above reasons. I swear, you'll make that guy feel like all his dreams have come true, and this smaller or regular guy just might surprise you.

A great example of what I'm saying is actually a music video, now, it doesn't have muscle guys in it or anything like that, but, has a great theme about bringing love fantasy into reality and, I think, should encourage us all to be brave enough to go for the gold so to speak. Now I'm not a huge fan of Paris Hilton, but, I love the video. Not going to post it here, but, just look up Paris Hilton - Nothing In This World on YouTube. Watch the video and pay attention to the words that pop-up in it. For that boy, his ultimate fantasy was Paris. For us regular and "smaller" guys, our ultimate fantasy is a huge and massive muscle guy to love. For some of you massive and huge guys, your fantasy might be a guy that'll just love you for you, and encourage you to keep growing.

With that said, I think I've said enough, and should let the thread continue, but, it's all, just an idea of how approachable anyone can be.

Thank you,
Plug.

[ydt81]

[not that I've read this ENTIRE thread yet] but for me, I guess it has something to do with muscular guys usually funneling into one of a few aesthetic archetypes. Examples include:
--the self-obsessed gym nut;
--the energetic/optimistic gym nut;
--the posh fitness model;
--the frat boy
--the burly, lumberjacky "real man'"
.... etc....

Yes, I know it's easy to break down any category of people and no, I don't get off on putting people in boxes.

But from the other side of things (the "lean" side of runners, yogis, dancers, swimmers, and thin guys), it seems that a lot of buff guys end up in the same clothes and style of walk as their gym peers.
I see a buff guy and *admire* his physique, but thinking about the long term I have to wonder what we'd actually have in common.
.........silly as this sounds, it's almost like his muscles are t-shirt that tells me immediately what his interests are; I find his interests hot, but I know their not my own.


Then again, I have to admit.... part of me flips the finger to traditional masculinity (as far as manifesting it in myself goes). I developed this recent pet peeve for gay guys that pat themselves on the backs for breaking stereotypes.

The same thing is prevalent THROUGHOUT the fitness world I guess;
but when it comes to gay life (especially when you read to damn much), there's this added layer of questions b/w the fit guys and the 'normal' ones.
I'm just annoyed by the unique power hot buff guys have as a commodity in the gay world...

Tori Amos put it best in an angsty song called "Precious Things":
'So you can make me cum
That doesn't make you Jesus...'

[redwolf64]

chime in with a few thoughts on this one, being a shorter, bearish guy.

I've communicated online with a guy who's 6'3" and about 240 for some time. He looks intimidating, but is really a nice guy at heart. I showed his pics to some freinds and their reaction was interesting - one thought if I actually met him, he'd probably go into "roid rage" and kill me; another thought he was a "freak"; another found him attractive, but was afraid of him.

Being anyone that's different in looks makes people have some kind of reaction if you're out of the ordinary. It can be in the way someone is built, the kind of clothes they wear, or things like tatts or piercings. People just make assumptions about the person inside just based on looks.

I used to be involved in a local leather club and found it refreshing that guys in the leather community would, for the most part, get past this kind of thing. You'd see all types of men play together or become couples - they really were interested more in common fetishes and fantasies and, because of their own alternative sexuality, could get past appearances and assumptions.

Think about this for a minute. Guys are really hard wired to appear to be strong and hide their emotions. I think in the gay community that translates into a pressure to keep up appearances - being seen with guys that are as desirable or more desirable than you are. Some guys can get past this and just be comfortable with being who they are.

Sure, I find big muscled guys hot, but there can be things about someone's personality or interests that can make them a turn-off.

[sabretooth]

see im 6' 205, not all that big, but im not small. i never get approched when i go out i have to go and ask the other guy. apparently i look scary and come off as intimidating; for those who may have seen my pics could somebody explain whats so scary looking about me. i can be a nice guy when i want to be, but if you piss me off i wont hesitate the beat you up.

one guy after the first date told me how he prepared to go out on the date with me, showed me the switch blade in his pocket, and that he told his room mate if he didnt see him by 2am to call the cops, told me he thought i was going to kidnap or rape him or something like that. am i really that scary?